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I might have grabbed the Joey bundle at a reduced price if it didn't need a buyin, no longer DAZ+ either, it missed out on that by 2 days
not American but like older characters, Donnie too distinctive, Joey looks like many old men
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I don't see how getting 2+ year old stuff for low prices really hurts the PAs. It has been said here, that most income for PAs comes during the "new" period of their products.
And it's DAZland's not so state of the art sales software handling which results in these unintended (too) low prices. If PAs don't like it happening, they should go to the ones responsible - and that aren't the customers.
>>>> It has been said here, that most income for PAs comes during the "new" period of their products.
But what some of the PAs have been trying to say is that they are seeing the "deep discounts" during the new trial period. I know I have. And that really shouldn't happen.
Contrary to popular belief, lower prices don't often equate to proportionally higher sales. You don't see 5 times as many sales if a product sells at 20%. As Frank said, making 1.00 or less on a sale of a new release that a PA spends weeks to months on is very painful and doesn't pay the bills. And yes, DAZ has been made aware of these issues.
The Presidential Bundle seems to be very pricey compared to the individual asset. The bundle is sold for $10, $25 or $50 but when you put all the individual assets into the cart which are part of the bundle then it only costs $7.96, $11.96 or $15.96.
I mean, the bundle consists of the Joey and Donnie bundles and the two bobbleheads.
Let's not turn this thread into criticizing PAs based on the price of their products. Old or new, the PAs still need to make money off their products. I'd say direct that at Daz specifically.
Building a base, catalog and a following is a great thing that happens, but I imagine it's incredibly tough, especially at the start, for a PA to start making money with it. Normally with deep discounts the profit can come from high volume. We don't have numbers about the amount sales or profit margin of these products so that may or may not be the case-all we see is what we can buy, and it's very easy for us to criticize based just on that.
I want to reduce my spending but also support them, and a lot of times, those two goals fight against each other. I'm happy with a medium where things aren't crazy expensive, and at times there are some good deals.
On the other side of the coin there are times that I have a specific need for something because I have an image in my head that HAS to get out. In cases like that, the item that I specifically need may be older, or past its sale date. I've been known to pay even full price in cases like that. I used to buy character bundles because I needed the body shapes to make sure clothing I made fit right, but I've even cut back on that because the end result was I have a ton of content I probably won't use. So my purchases are more selective, based on my NEED, not on the price.
There's no way any PA should be getting paid close to a dollar for new releases. I can't recall paying prices as a customer that would get the payout that low. I'd even feel ashamed to build a cart like that. It's usual other way around - I've bought a ton of discounted old stuff so I throw in a few new items at higher prices than I typically pay. Because of the way the sales work, that would be going to the same group of artists. The only way I can conceive of such low payouts on new items is if the unit price is distributed evenly across all sales on a given day, which could significantly drag down the apparent price paid on new items if not the actual paid.
But if $1 new release only payouts are really a thing, that just feels exploitative to me. I just can't say I've ever seen prices on new stuff, apart from Daz+ when on a membership, that would cause that to happen.
I've done the same thing by buying a full price product because I need it but wasn't on sale. And those bundles tend to have a lot of stuff that I might not need now, but someday. I have to admit, when I find a need something and I randomly have it because of a bundle buy, it's a pretty good feeling.
Probably because the individual bundles are included in the big bundle, and therefore by the system are seen as single items which are $2.99. A bug, not a feature, I think.
Yeah it seems weird to me, too. I would imagine that when an item gets discounted, Daz themselves eat part of that discount to help support the PA. In many business there are products sold specifically at a loss because of revenue from other ones, and that's usually what they're doing like with today's sale. Have to buy $15 HID Ramsey and make a little money to sell the $1.99 President stuff that has to be at a loss. And with that $1.99-the PA should get something because it was an incentive to activate the purchase. Some companies do that in a rebate structure; there are ways for the PA to get supported for having an extremely cheap item sold.
I dunno, it's a bit complicated but I agree if the PAs only get profit out of the sticker price of what's sold, that's really messed up.
or they've already made the profit from it already and are willing to lose a bit. I know of one PA whose new release, with all the discounting and stuff, came to 94% off. That was not sitting well at all.
Boy, just got an orange banner labeled "gift" for buying this Valentine weekend: 20% off cart
- 1 day only
- excludes new releases
- excludes memberships
- excludes gift cards
What kind of gift is this? I still have my $10 DAZ Original coupon. I still have my $10 off $25 coupon. Why should I buy old stuff discounted without any base incentive. For my weekend purchase I could not even use the member perks as the $10 free DAZ orginal was only for DAZ+ members and the cheap bundle was worthless as I already own all of those.
This lovely "gift" does only tell me one thing: I should get rid off my Premier membership soon!
Yeah it's crazy. With the $1.99 Premier price for one of the President Bundles, it's 98% off. I'm still not buying any of them, either.
That's $1.99 saved toward something you DO want in the future.
Barbult using my own logic against me. Well played there.
The revenue maximization price is usually neither the lowest price for which it's possible to sell your wares and still cover your costs, nor the highest price at which anyone has ever demonstrated a willingness to buy. It seems as if Daz' sales strategy would considerably complicate a vendor's figuring out what the revenue maximization price is. You can't look at today's price and say, "Yup, that's what it usually goes for," before trying to figure out if it's better higher or lower.
Against you??? I thought I was supporting your decision not to spend on what you don't want, even if it is cheap.
Oh I misred your post. I thought you meant I'd want something in that bundle in the future if I didn't buy it now. It's been a weird day for me.
Therefore, I fully support your response in supporting my stance in not supporting the bundle.
I spoke to one extremely prolific PA who was originally exclusively at Rendo in the Poser days and now very active here as well and they told me they bought a really nice house from PA sales. So the prolific PAs are actually doing quite well, although that conversation was over five years ago and maybe things have changed, A long time ago I had a product up for original Sadie and it did better than I expected. That product has long been removed as it was my only product and for a character pre-Genesis. I kind of wish I had stuck with it but I was Poser only at the time and didn't like Genesis 1 and didn't want to learn DS. I think there may be a lot more competition now as there are a lot more PAs, but I still think the prolific ones do quite well financially.
Happens all the time, especially in the big sales. Lots of brand new PA items are sold for bargain basement prices in the course of a major sale. Just off recent purchases, I got https://www.daz3d.com/z-private-photo-session-prop-and-poses-for-genesis-9-and-8 a week after it was released for $2.60 . IIRC, I could have gotten it for even less *if* I had played the holiday game with more zeal. I like the set, though I actually bought it to facilitate a cart deal involving 2 pro bundles.
Daz does this stuff. We buy the stuff at the prices offered because we can. When Daz makes attractive offers, it makes sense to accept their offers. I don't know what arrangements are made with PAs - perhaps none! I've heard that from a reliable source. I've heard I should feel bad about it, and now I take it into account. Even so, when prices are higher, I spend less. I don't make the rules. I make my own rules for when to buy, and they are brutal. Yet Daz has shown they are viable rules, in keeping with their shopping model. Other sites have other rules, and I both spend less and buy fewer items from them. The situation is what it is!
That makes sense. It's like any competitive environment. There will be folks who struggle and those who thrive. There will be some big winners, too. DS is an interesting program - It does a lot and it seems pretty easy on the surface, but getting into the deep water with it is a lot!
I'm on the fence about the $2.99 president bundles. When I originally saw them, I hated them but now I see most items could be used for other things. One of the characters I would only use for satire but I can't stand even looking at his face so I would get too angry just rendering lol. As a new item, I love the Rococo room, but the buy-in is way more than I usually pay and of course the orange banner coupon doesn't work on it. Think I'm going to dump my cart. I'll get the Rococo room when on better sale and the president bundles will probably go down to this price again.
I felt the exact same way about using one of the bundles for satire but then changed my mind. Looking at the face makes me mad and don't even want to happen by it when I browse my figures.
Personally I'm just glad that since it's a rerun, it won't be advertised in the recent characters list at the bottom of all the emails and such for weeks. I found that distasteful/stressful enough the first time around. I'm hoping the tile goes away tomorrow, too, instead of hanging around for days, but we shall see.
I'm not certain it does happen all the time. In my time here, I remember one sale where new, non-DO items were heavily discounted without a buy-in. I think they were 71-79% off. I was ecstatic and bought a lot new items. I've shopped stacking sales every day for the past 2-3 years - and aggressively enough that I often get better discounts than being discussed in the forums - but getting new, non-DO items below that that sort of level is very rare. I've definitely noted Z stuff can come out more cheaply than the sales I'm seeing on a particular day say they should, though. I assumed they were a high-volume seller with a bespoke arrangement.
It's the possibility of bespoke arrangements that makes it very difficult to generalise about these things, but I would hope that anyone on Daz's standard terms isn't getting so little for new items, unless the full price was sub $8.
I will pay whatever something is worth it to me
if the Aussie dollar wasn't so abysmal I would have bought the Rococo room without hesitation
I just bought a long wig from Temu for less
(than the USD price in AUD. a bit of a laugh and experiment to see what i get, a video will follow)
sadly now new things rarely go into my cart but older DAZ originals have already sold enough and earned their creators a buyout so feel DAZ could do a few more heavily discounted sales of them
it's going to get them more income than not selling any at all
This has been my experience as well. I am far from being a master in the art of maximizing DAZ discounts, but I can't remember new releases approaching sub $5.00 that wasn't an error that was corrected shortly into the sale.
Re: New Floor Prices & PAs
Yes, I have objections to Floor Prices - but NOT that it hopefully increases what PAs earn on heavily discounted items - they deserve it. (I say "hopefully" because I have no way of knowing how Daz divides that extra money.) My biggest objection is that Daz, as per usual, didn't COMMUNICATE this. The disclaimer all of a sudden just appeared. (Except on the offers where Daz forgot to include it.)
Now if Daz had told us ahead of time they were trying this to help the PAs? I probably wouldn't have been annoyed enough to post, just quietly disagreed with their thinking.
IMO, the best way to address the problem of PAs losing so much money when their new items are used as loss leaders is the simplest: Daz should go back to their old policy. New releases got a few days' discount (I think it was 3), then NO discounts (except for the members' 30/35% on DOs) until the end of the New period. The New releases could still be used for all kinds of "Get ---- when you buy X New Releases" promos, but not sold as $2-3 door busters.
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Re: FYI on Today's Valentine's 2024/2023/2022/older selections.
You have to have a Spell New Release in cart to get the discounts. I am sure Daz will soon tell us (if they say anything other than "fixed") that this was an accident & they are sorry they forgot to mention it. Lost count of how many times this has happened, but I think it's become more frequent this year.
Not a bad sale today, I like the Daz Horse promotion with the text "We are not horsing around." This amuses me. And I've had my eye on the Pegasus Bundle for a while. Activating this group might be the best value for the horse lovers.
The spell selections are okay for the most part. That Vampire Fly is an intriguing addition. It's pretty random, and, well, you never know when a vampiric fly might be needed. It could really tie the scene together, man.