There's Always Another Sale Thread -- Discussions Only Pt 4

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  • paulawp (marahzen) said:

    Sadly, not for the first day this week, I am letting another bunch of tokens die at Daz midnight, leaving me with almost none for the first time, I believe, in weeks if not months. 

    There's just nothing worth building a cart around and now, next time there is, my enthusiasm will be tempered by having no tokens. 

    I wanted to clarify, on re-reading my post, that this isn't that there aren't new things that interest me in recent days. There are; I've wishlisted them and am waiting for the right deals, and I will gladly buy them then. I realized that it sort of sounds like I'm saying there's no good stuff to get and I didn't mean that. There just hasn't been the right combination of new stuff that I need today, and an awesome sale to build on. 

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 1,152

    Well, the holiday today exists because it's between Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays, but if they're going to get political about it, I'm out. I didn't even look to see what the offers or new releases are.

  • OrangeFalconOrangeFalcon Posts: 523
    edited February 17

    SilverGirl said:

    Well, the holiday today exists because it's between Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays, but if they're going to get political about it, I'm out. I didn't even look to see what the offers or new releases are.

    Yeah, the big deal of the day is the Presidential Bundle.  I like to leave politics out of things so I didn't like when these were released at the time, and don't like seeing it pushed again right now.  Granted, they're based on Presidents and it is President's Day, but yeah, not a good time for this kind of thing.

    The new releases really don't have a political style and feel to them, but I can understand you taking a stand based on the principle, though.

    There's a couple royalty style environments, but what's a REALLY weird weird reference is HID's Ramsey.  She's obviously based on Phoebe Cates who played Kate in Gremlins and Gremlins 2.  In Gremlins 2 she has this random story about a traumatic experience that happened to her on Lincoln's Birthday.  Not President's Day but that's such an extremely close and random connection that I'm going to say it was intended.

    HID3D, I'm onto you!

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  • MissLeahMissLeah Posts: 78

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

  • MissLeah said:

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

    That's true.  Let's hope they realize we did not love that idea. 

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,900
    edited February 17

    OrangeFalcon said:

    SilverGirl said:

    Well, the holiday today exists because it's between Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays, but if they're going to get political about it, I'm out. I didn't even look to see what the offers or new releases are.

    Yeah, the big deal of the day is the Presidential Bundle.  I like to leave politics out of things so I didn't like when these were released at the time, and don't like seeing it pushed again right now.  Granted, they're based on Presidents and it is President's Day, but yeah, not a good time for this kind of thing.

    I already own the Presidential Bundle (and consequently all the $1.99 items) and there  is not even an orange banner offer for owning all the items. So the sale is not much of a sale for me. I was hoping for some good offers but I guess I'll just have to spend my pennies somewhere else.

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  • OrangeFalcon said:

    SilverGirl said:

    Well, the holiday today exists because it's between Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays, but if they're going to get political about it, I'm out. I didn't even look to see what the offers or new releases are.

    Yeah, the big deal of the day is the Presidential Bundle.  I like to leave politics out of things so I didn't like when these were released at the time, and don't like seeing it pushed again right now.  Granted, they're based on Presidents and it is President's Day, but yeah, not a good time for this kind of thing.

    The new releases really don't have a political style and feel to them, but I can understand you taking a stand based on the principle, though.

    There's a couple royalty style environments, but what's a REALLY weird weird reference is HID's Ramsey.  She's obviously based on Phoebe Cates who played Kate in Gremlins and Gremlins 2.  In Gremlins 2 she has this random story about a traumatic experience that happened to her on Lincoln's Birthday.  Not President's Day but that's such an extremely close and random connection that I'm going to say it was intended.

    HID3D, I'm onto you!

    Funny thing is, if I'm looking at the right things, it's much cheaper to buy the two individual bundles and bobbleheads with a presidential release than to buy the Presidential Bundle, assuming one wants any of them.

     

  • OrangeFalcon said:

    MissLeah said:

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

    That's true.  Let's hope they realize we did not love that idea. 

    Let's hope. 

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 1,152

    MissLeah said:

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

    So... no actual minimum prices, or just not listed? Because... well... *gestures at recent issues*

    Granted I'm still not buying anything, but it gives me a little hope for MM. 

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 1,152

    OrangeFalcon said:

    SilverGirl said:

    Well, the holiday today exists because it's between Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays, but if they're going to get political about it, I'm out. I didn't even look to see what the offers or new releases are.

    Yeah, the big deal of the day is the Presidential Bundle.  I like to leave politics out of things so I didn't like when these were released at the time, and don't like seeing it pushed again right now.  Granted, they're based on Presidents and it is President's Day, but yeah, not a good time for this kind of thing.

    Yeah, I try to be very mindful of when and how (and where) I consume current events. Daz is my little escape from reality, and maybe it was dumb of me to not have seen it coming given the givens (although in my defense it was pre-coffee), but still. Next year I'll make a note to just skip the day and save myself the issue.

  • MissLeahMissLeah Posts: 78

    SilverGirl said:

    MissLeah said:

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

    So... no actual minimum prices, or just not listed? Because... well... *gestures at recent issues*

    Granted I'm still not buying anything, but it gives me a little hope for MM. 

    I can only test it with what I have, but I put a featured artist item in my cart and applied 8 tokens to it, and it discounted the full amount (30%, since it's not a DO). Granted, this is Daz marketing and everything is always subject to change, but at least right now, it looks okay. 

  • SilverGirl said:

    OrangeFalcon said:

    SilverGirl said:

    Well, the holiday today exists because it's between Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays, but if they're going to get political about it, I'm out. I didn't even look to see what the offers or new releases are.

    Yeah, the big deal of the day is the Presidential Bundle.  I like to leave politics out of things so I didn't like when these were released at the time, and don't like seeing it pushed again right now.  Granted, they're based on Presidents and it is President's Day, but yeah, not a good time for this kind of thing.

    Yeah, I try to be very mindful of when and how (and where) I consume current events. Daz is my little escape from reality, and maybe it was dumb of me to not have seen it coming given the givens (although in my defense it was pre-coffee), but still. Next year I'll make a note to just skip the day and save myself the issue.

    I'm a news junkie and Daz is also one of my escapes.  It wasn't dumb of you; I didn't expect it either.  Once I saw it, I did an eyeroll and said to myself, "Oh, of course."  Sadly the tokens don't work for any of the $1.99 items, nor the $10 super bundle.  And my reaction to that was another, "Oh.  Of course."  After double checking, the promo page does indeed state the promotion doesn't stack with other discounts, so it's working as intended.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,632

    SilverGirl said:

    Well, the holiday today exists because it's between Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays, but if they're going to get political about it, I'm out. I didn't even look to see what the offers or new releases are.

    There is a noticeable irony to that, given the TOS here. Less said, the better. >_> Also, nothing in today's sale to make me open my wallet. frown

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,165

    i like the diner scene... Its form looks exactly like a diner I went to in Indiana. It went into WL hoping for a better day. I already have several diners that I've never rendered though. 

  • 3DSaga3DSaga Posts: 470

    I see this sale as the all-time low of DAZ sales, based on what I consider the worst bundle of- - DAZ has ever released since I downloaded the software. I won't buy anything here today.

  • 3DSaga said:

    I see this sale as the all-time low of DAZ sales, based on what I consider the worst bundle of- - DAZ has ever released since I downloaded the software. I won't buy anything here today.

    It's definitely the worst bundle ever.  They need to remove it, and by extension both Presidential Bundles, from the store.

  • ElorElor Posts: 1,957

    MissLeah said:

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

    They don't need minimum price when there is only one sale active: minimum prices are here to protect them from discounts stacking in a way they didn't see coming or because of a bug somewhere making some discounts stacking with each other when they should not.

    Discount stacking galores create both expectations from people buying and, just a guess based on a couple of messages by Jack Tomalin a couple of months ago, not a great level of happiness from the PAs who are seeing their products sold with 90+ % discounts.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,298

    Elor said:

    MissLeah said:

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

    They don't need minimum price when there is only one sale active: minimum prices are here to protect them from discounts stacking in a way they didn't see coming or because of a bug somewhere making some discounts stacking with each other when they should not.

    Discount stacking galores create both expectations from people buying and, just a guess based on a couple of messages by Jack Tomalin a couple of months ago, not a great level of happiness from the PAs who are seeing their products sold with 90+ % discounts

    Yeah, cause making less than $1.00 (usually around $0.70) on a sale on a new release that we spent weeks to months on is very painful and doesn't pay any bills. Customers aren't the only people with budgets and hurting these days.

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,438
    edited February 17

    frank0314 said:

    Elor said:

    MissLeah said:

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

    They don't need minimum price when there is only one sale active: minimum prices are here to protect them from discounts stacking in a way they didn't see coming or because of a bug somewhere making some discounts stacking with each other when they should not.

    Discount stacking galores create both expectations from people buying and, just a guess based on a couple of messages by Jack Tomalin a couple of months ago, not a great level of happiness from the PAs who are seeing their products sold with 90+ % discounts

    Yeah, cause making less than $1.00 (usually around $0.70) on a sale on a new release that we spent weeks to months on is very painful and doesn't pay any bills. Customers aren't the only people with budgets and hurting these days.

    Plenty of ways to fix it that aren't minimum prices. The minimum prices are just another bad idea in a long stream of bad ideas 

    Post edited by TesseractSpace on
  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,479

    frank0314 said:

    Elor said:

    MissLeah said:

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

    They don't need minimum price when there is only one sale active: minimum prices are here to protect them from discounts stacking in a way they didn't see coming or because of a bug somewhere making some discounts stacking with each other when they should not.

    Discount stacking galores create both expectations from people buying and, just a guess based on a couple of messages by Jack Tomalin a couple of months ago, not a great level of happiness from the PAs who are seeing their products sold with 90+ % discounts

    Yeah, cause making less than $1.00 (usually around $0.70) on a sale on a new release that we spent weeks to months on is very painful and doesn't pay any bills. Customers aren't the only people with budgets and hurting these days.

    Thats not the customers problem. If you don't like Daz's sales then consider selling elsewhere.  You may also like to think about how many sales ar lost due to non working sales.

  • Cam FoxCam Fox Posts: 91
    edited February 17

    OrangeFalcon said:

    It's definitely the worst bundle ever.  They need to remove it, and by extension both Presidential Bundles, from the store.

    Founding fathers outfit is good for a pirate captain! Joey hair also seems neutral and useful.

     

    MissLeah said:

    I can only test it with what I have, but I put a featured artist item in my cart and applied 8 tokens to it, and it discounted the full amount (30%, since it's not a DO). Granted, this is Daz marketing and everything is always subject to change, but at least right now, it looks okay. 

    Definitely seeing some cheap stuff with the legacy category, 8 tokens, and the buy-in currently carted. Categories appear to have no floor price, but not too many stacking promos either, so you'd still end up paying a few bucks for most items sans any member coupons. "at least right now" as you noted. :)

     

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  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 1,152

    I think they should've had a bonanza on beds and bedroom environments, instead. After all, isn't that the true spirit of the holiday? Buying a cheap mattress? cheeky

  • mdingmding Posts: 1,278

    scorpio said:

    frank0314 said:

    Elor said:

    MissLeah said:

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

    They don't need minimum price when there is only one sale active: minimum prices are here to protect them from discounts stacking in a way they didn't see coming or because of a bug somewhere making some discounts stacking with each other when they should not.

    Discount stacking galores create both expectations from people buying and, just a guess based on a couple of messages by Jack Tomalin a couple of months ago, not a great level of happiness from the PAs who are seeing their products sold with 90+ % discounts

    Yeah, cause making less than $1.00 (usually around $0.70) on a sale on a new release that we spent weeks to months on is very painful and doesn't pay any bills. Customers aren't the only people with budgets and hurting these days.

    Thats not the customers problem. If you don't like Daz's sales then consider selling elsewhere.  You may also like to think about how many sales ar lost due to non working sales.

    I think I can understand what you mean, but still, we are talking about new Items, and for these to be sold for a dollar or less, also can destroy the fun of getting them some time later for $2 or $3. I believe normal prices at the beginning are part of the psychology which creates DAZoholics, because those define their worth and help create the craving and later the happiness for us customers at sales.

  • SilverGirl said:

    I think they should've had a bonanza on beds and bedroom environments, instead. After all, isn't that the true spirit of the holiday? Buying a cheap mattress? cheeky

    That would've been pretty nice and in the spirit of the holiday, too.   

  • mding said:

    scorpio said:

    frank0314 said:

    Elor said:

    MissLeah said:

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

    They don't need minimum price when there is only one sale active: minimum prices are here to protect them from discounts stacking in a way they didn't see coming or because of a bug somewhere making some discounts stacking with each other when they should not.

    Discount stacking galores create both expectations from people buying and, just a guess based on a couple of messages by Jack Tomalin a couple of months ago, not a great level of happiness from the PAs who are seeing their products sold with 90+ % discounts

    Yeah, cause making less than $1.00 (usually around $0.70) on a sale on a new release that we spent weeks to months on is very painful and doesn't pay any bills. Customers aren't the only people with budgets and hurting these days.

    Thats not the customers problem. If you don't like Daz's sales then consider selling elsewhere.  You may also like to think about how many sales ar lost due to non working sales.

    I think I can understand what you mean, but still, we are talking about new Items, and for these to be sold for a dollar or less, also can destroy the fun of getting them some time later for $2 or $3. I believe normal prices at the beginning are part of the psychology which creates DAZoholics, because those define their worth and help create the craving and later the happiness for us customers at sales.l

    Except the minimums aren't being used on new items. They were applied to old items, often very old items. New items are generally protected by not being included in any sale that could stack. 

  • mdingmding Posts: 1,278
    edited February 17

    @TesseractSpace: Oh, understand. I only read the post of frank0314 and scorpio and thought the subject was about selling new items for $0.70. As I missed those minimum rules, I didn't know they also applied to legacy items. Thanks!

    Post edited by mding on
  • frank0314 said:

    Elor said:

    MissLeah said:

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

    They don't need minimum price when there is only one sale active: minimum prices are here to protect them from discounts stacking in a way they didn't see coming or because of a bug somewhere making some discounts stacking with each other when they should not.

    Discount stacking galores create both expectations from people buying and, just a guess based on a couple of messages by Jack Tomalin a couple of months ago, not a great level of happiness from the PAs who are seeing their products sold with 90+ % discounts

    Yeah, cause making less than $1.00 (usually around $0.70) on a sale on a new release that we spent weeks to months on is very painful and doesn't pay any bills. Customers aren't the only people with budgets and hurting these days.

    The minimums didn't apply to new releases. They were applied to older products. Besides, I don't recall ever seeing a new release that could brought that low except sometimes a Daz Original that fits a stacked discount along side the daz+ 30% off.

  • DeeceyDeecey Posts: 153

    frank0314 said:

    Elor said:

    MissLeah said:

    There are a couple things I like today, but the biggest advantage I see is no minimum prices listed anywhere. I really hope that was written off as a dumb experiment.

    They don't need minimum price when there is only one sale active: minimum prices are here to protect them from discounts stacking in a way they didn't see coming or because of a bug somewhere making some discounts stacking with each other when they should not.

    Discount stacking galores create both expectations from people buying and, just a guess based on a couple of messages by Jack Tomalin a couple of months ago, not a great level of happiness from the PAs who are seeing their products sold with 90+ % discounts

    Yeah, cause making less than $1.00 (usually around $0.70) on a sale on a new release that we spent weeks to months on is very painful and doesn't pay any bills. Customers aren't the only people with budgets and hurting these days.

    yes

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,632
    edited February 17

    TesseractSpace said:

    The minimums didn't apply to new releases. They were applied to older products. Besides, I don't recall ever seeing a new release that could brought that low except sometimes a Daz Original that fits a stacked discount along side the daz+ 30% off.

    Sometimes, brand new products are offered at a ridiculously low $1.99 or $2.99 price point - Doorbusters, right? I've learned that can definitely hurt the bottom line for the PA, can be dispiriting; and I know at least one PA abandoned the field because of it. Bottom line is, making products for sale tends to be a lot of work. PAs want to make money. That said, the Dreamlight guy (Val Cameron) has a different view. In one of his videos, he says a PA should not worry about initial sales of any one product, that the money is in developing a catalog; and that the value of the product or effort should not be measured from its initial sales but from its lifetime sales. I can see both viewpoints. I'd like to think the latter one works out IRL. Tougher road but maybe more fulfilling in the long run. I don't think it's easy to be a PA.

    Post edited by Torquinox on
  • Torquinox said:

    TesseractSpace said:

    The minimums didn't apply to new releases. They were applied to older products. Besides, I don't recall ever seeing a new release that could brought that low except sometimes a Daz Original that fits a stacked discount along side the daz+ 30% off.

    Sometimes, brand new products are offered at a ridiculously low $1.99 or $2.99 price point - Doorbusters, right? I've learned that can definitely hurt the bottom line for the PA, can be dispiriting; and I know at least one PA abandoned the field because of it. Bottom line is, making products for sale tends to be a lot of work. PAs want to make money. That said, the Dreamlight guy (Val Cameron) has a different view. In one of his videos, he says a PA should not worry about initial sales of any one product, that the money is in developing a catalog; and that the value of the product or effort should not be measured from its initial sales but from its lifetime sales. I can see both viewpoints. I'd like to think the latter one works out IRL. Tougher road but maybe more fulfilling in the long run.

    I'd assume doorbusters were negotiated ahead of time in the very few instances where they weren't Daz O items. I can't imagine anyone being ok with their product being priced like that on day one without any discussion.

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