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  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408
    edited November 27

    The only postwork here is horizontal motion blur and enhancing the bloom a little.

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  • TheNathanParableTheNathanParable Posts: 1,055
    3Diva said:

    TheNathanParable said:

    vrba79 said:

    I think you can increase the shadow resolutions in the Filament options node.

    Like I said, the quality of the shadows cast from spotlights don't seem to be affected by that.

    Have you tried these settings to see if they help: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/706131/solved-with-how-to-workflow-how-do-i-get-a-less-blurry-pixelated-filament-filatoon-render

     

    Unfortunately that seems to be about general image quality, not blocky shadows.
  • Phloki3dPhloki3d Posts: 138

    vrba79 said:

    Almost feels like it was custom made for you, huh?

    Haha right?! No more trying to brute force NPR and it makes me so happy,

    And thanks all for the kind words, every time I take a peek in here at everyone's art I'm inspired to render more!

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408

    It really feels like its our time. The rise of the NPR artist.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,423
    edited November 28

    i'm getting better shadows using spot lights than distant lights

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,561
    edited November 28

    I think diving into the Filament Draw Options and trying to figure them out is a huge undertaking. So many options - so much to learn! But it's a lot of fun experimenting with the different settings. Being able to see the changes instantly and knowing that what you see in the viewport is exactly what you'll see when you render is pretty awesome! 

    I like how this Draw Options experiment turned out.

     

     

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,561

    @scorpio I like the color and textures! The limited palette and repeating texture is very artistic and pretty!

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,561
    edited November 28

    Another experiment. No post work except to size it down from 2000x2600 to 1000x1300.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 101,097

    3Diva said:

    I think diving into the Filament Draw Options and trying to figure them out is a huge undertaking. So many options - so much to learn! But it's a lot of fun experimenting with the different settings. Being able to see the changes instantly and knowing that what you see in the viewport is exactly what you'll see when you render is pretty awesome! 

    I like how this Draw Options experiment turned out.

    Your upload is AWOL - the forums have taken to leaving the attachment attached to the next post too, so if you clear that you are also deleting the original; refresh the page between consecutive posts to avoid the issue.

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408

    3Diva said:

    Another experiment. No post work except to size it down from 2000x2600 to 1000x1300.

     

     

    We're getting so many styles and results with this!

  • TheNathanParableTheNathanParable Posts: 1,055
    edited November 28

    Some random messing around with FilaToon ended up turning into an experiment to achieve a sketchy look. Really like how it came out.

    Raw FilaToon render, no postwork.

    https://www.daz3d.com/gallery#gallery=all&sort=newest&page=1&image=1356379

    EDIT: P.S, I was wrong, LUTs DO affect the shadows cast from lights, which is much easier to see when you have more than one light casting shadows.

    Also, it seems that spotlights have, like, a set resolution for shadows that you can't adjust? It also seems to be directly tied to the light spread; the wider the spread, the lower the resolution of the shadow (and the blockier it looks).

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  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408
    edited November 28

    TheNathanParable said:

    Some random messing around with FilaToon ended up turning into an experiment to achieve a sketchy look. Really like how it came out.

    Raw FilaToon render, no postwork.

    https://www.daz3d.com/gallery#gallery=all&sort=newest&page=1&image=1356379

     

    Oh wow! And to think this shader is free.

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,477

    scorpio said:

    i'm getting better shadows using spot lights than distant lights

    Wow, you got really great shadows. Need to test it by myself.

     

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,477

    TheNathanParable said:

    Some random messing around with FilaToon ended up turning into an experiment to achieve a sketchy look. Really like how it came out.

    Raw FilaToon render, no postwork.

    https://www.daz3d.com/gallery#gallery=all&sort=newest&page=1&image=1356379

    EDIT: P.S, I was wrong, LUTs DO affect the shadows cast from lights, which is much easier to see when you have more than one light casting shadows.

    Also, it seems that spotlights have, like, a set resolution for shadows that you can't adjust? It also seems to be directly tied to the light spread; the wider the spread, the lower the resolution of the shadow (and the blockier it looks).

    Another master usage of Filatoon. Looks great.

     

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,561
    edited November 28

    Richard Haseltine said:

    3Diva said:

    I think diving into the Filament Draw Options and trying to figure them out is a huge undertaking. So many options - so much to learn! But it's a lot of fun experimenting with the different settings. Being able to see the changes instantly and knowing that what you see in the viewport is exactly what you'll see when you render is pretty awesome! 

    I like how this Draw Options experiment turned out.

    Your upload is AWOL - the forums have taken to leaving the attachment attached to the next post too, so if you clear that you are also deleting the original; refresh the page between consecutive posts to avoid the issue.

    Thank you, Richard! I fixed the post. :) Thank you for letting me know about the issue and how to fix it. Hopefully I'll remember to refresh the page between consecutive posts in the future. :)

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  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408

    I'm absolutely replacing my webcomic's entire workflow with Filatoon once the current chapter is over.

     

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,902
    edited December 1

    Just playing again with super old content. G1 with Alysa hair and texture for V4 and Xiu dress for A3. I almost never use G1 and still have lots of content from Poser days (Gen 4 &3 ) and it's fun to see how FillaToon works with it. I never liked G1 because it looks so unrealistic but fine for FilaToon! 
     

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  • HylasHylas Posts: 4,998

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-amethist-outfit-for-genesis-9

    Remember when every product had both IRAY and 3DL materials?

    I would love it if most new products came with both IRAY and FilaToon materials, like the new Amethist Outfit!

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,561
    vrba79 said:

    I'm absolutely replacing my webcomic's entire workflow with Filatoon once the current chapter is over.

     

    Same! There's just so much I like more about a Filatoon workflow.
  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,561
    @Wonderland The "unrealistic" definitely is a plus when it comes to Filatoon! :) I think that's what makes the older content such a nice compliment to Filatoon. Cute render, btw!
  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,902
    edited December 1

    Quick test of Cupcake/Furball with cat texture. Purchased a bunch of old toon stuff yesterday for under $1.00. I love how FilaToon makes old content new again!

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,561
    Hylas said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-amethist-outfit-for-genesis-9

    Remember when every product had both IRAY and 3DL materials?

    I would love it if most new products came with both IRAY and FilaToon materials, like the new Amethist Outfit!

    Yeah, that would be really cool if Filatoon takes off so well that more content gets released with both Iray and Filatoon mats. :)
  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408

    Wonderland said:

    Quick test of Cupcake/Furball with cat texture. Purchased a bunch of old toon stuff yesterday for under $1.00. I love how FilaToon makes old content new again!

    Oh wow! We're gonna repurpose so much older content!

  • TheNathanParableTheNathanParable Posts: 1,055

    Come closer, traveller...

    Raw FilaToon render. I was originally gonna try doing an iRay pass for caustic lights, but I just couldn't get it working...really wish FilaToon had support for decals.

    You can't see them that well here, but the water uses some toon-style water textures I generated years ago in Filter Forge (can't remember the filter used unfortunately).

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,561

    @TheNathanParable That's incredible! Gorgeous work! How did you get the glow on the water ripple line where her body meets the water?

  • TheNathanParableTheNathanParable Posts: 1,055
    edited December 1
    3Diva said:

    @TheNathanParable That's incredible! Gorgeous work! How did you get the glow on the water ripple line where her body meets the water?

    Funny enough, that's actually a glitch, lol. The 3d ripple (from SY's ripples and wakes) uses an opacity map to blend out the edges. This looks fine in Filament from the top, but from the front you get the usual depth fighting from semi transparent objects.

    I tried to fix this using the same technique I used in the other thread to get that translucent shirt effect; I created a geometry shell with the exact same shader settings as the base, except one has soft transparency while the other has clamped transparency. If tweaked right it's pretty seamless. However, I didn't realise until after I posted that I forgot to adjust the geometry shell to be much closer to the base surface, causing that slightly glitchy 'glow' to appear, lol.

    Edit: Oh, and just in case I misunderstood and you actually just meant the lighting at that part, I think I also added a point light under the water. They don't cast shadows in Filament anyway, making them good for adding a little colour variance to a scene.

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,477

    Very nice images, everyone.

    Do we have any tutorial on how to set up multiple lights with shadows in Filatoon?

     

  • TheNathanParableTheNathanParable Posts: 1,055
    Artini said:

    Very nice images, everyone.

    Do we have any tutorial on how to set up multiple lights with shadows in Filatoon?

     

    All you need to do is set the lights to cast shadows, and then make sure the Filatoon surface has cast shadows and receive shadows turned on.

    The only other thing you need to consider are the limitations of Filament in general. You can only have one direct light period, and iirc you can only have about six spotlights casting shadows. Point lights can't cast shadows in Filament.

    Also, the quality of shadows cast from spotlights depends on both the distance and light spread. The wider and further away the light, the blockier and worse it'll be. At a far enough distance it won't cast shadows at all.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,477

    TheNathanParable said:

    Artini said:

    Very nice images, everyone.

    Do we have any tutorial on how to set up multiple lights with shadows in Filatoon?

     

    All you need to do is set the lights to cast shadows, and then make sure the Filatoon surface has cast shadows and receive shadows turned on.

     

    The only other thing you need to consider are the limitations of Filament in general. You can only have one direct light period, and iirc you can only have about six spotlights casting shadows. Point lights can't cast shadows in Filament.

     

    Also, the quality of shadows cast from spotlights depends on both the distance and light spread. The wider and further away the light, the blockier and worse it'll be. At a far enough distance it won't cast shadows at all.

    Thank you very much for the explanation. Off to experiments.

     

  • HylasHylas Posts: 4,998

    TheNathanParable said:

    Come closer, traveller...

    Raw FilaToon render. I was originally gonna try doing an iRay pass for caustic lights, but I just couldn't get it working...really wish FilaToon had support for decals.

    You can't see them that well here, but the water uses some toon-style water textures I generated years ago in Filter Forge (can't remember the filter used unfortunately).

    Such a nice render!

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