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  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,562

    nomad-ads_8ecd56922e said:

    They must be serving up different test versions of the website changes to different people.  

    Maybe by country/state. I'm not in Utah  :).

  • Mr BowenMr Bowen Posts: 396

    Maybe they will actually show the characters how they look completely so we know exactly what we are buying. How do we turn off this filter, though?

  • Mr BowenMr Bowen Posts: 396

    Ah, now the option came up for me to turn it off. It wasn't working before I posted.

  • AndrewJJPAndrewJJP Posts: 645

    My account lost its setting today and I had to come in here to work out how to show the "mature" content. A bug perhaps? That's why I'm mentioning it, in case it needs investigation.

    I'm seriosly staggered as to what's considered mature. Maybe the standards in the Daz part of the world are very different to the UK, but I don't see anything I wouldn't see in display in posters in clothes shops on every high street... but it doesn't matter. That's what the setting is for!

  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,636
    edited March 15

    Wonderland said:

    This is ridiculous. They are calling outfits that cover more than a bathing suit at the beach "mature content." First they start putting outfits on mannequins and cover up a lot of characters' bodies so we can't even see what we're buying and now this? If they are going to put these dumb labels and we check the box saying we want mature content, can we now see outfits on textured bodies and see the characters nude? 

     I believe this is the plan - that we can now show outfits on characters properly without needing mannequins, and that otherwise disallowed character texture details can now be shown. Obviously there's a little teething problem with some images being marked 'mature' when they're not but the usefulness of this filter outweighs the occasional hiccup IMO. Of course, this will only affect promos going forward - older mannequined images are there to stay.

    Edit: It goes beyond nudity too - reasonable displays of violence and blood can now be in promos if they help show off a product (so not just gratuitous for the sake of it) like a pose-set or a blood texture/prop set, among other stuff.

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  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,189

    Once again daz feels they have to protect us from ourselves without so much as as a post to tell us how to either opt out or opt in before it is implimented. 

     

    Way to go daz. 

  • AndrewJJPAndrewJJP Posts: 645
    edited March 15

    Silent Winter said:

    Wonderland said:

    This is ridiculous. They are calling outfits that cover more than a bathing suit at the beach "mature content." First they start putting outfits on mannequins and cover up a lot of characters' bodies so we can't even see what we're buying and now this? If they are going to put these dumb labels and we check the box saying we want mature content, can we now see outfits on textured bodies and see the characters nude? 

     I believe this is the plan - that we can now show outfits on characters properly without needing mannequins, and that otherwise disallowed character texture details can now be shown. Obviously there's a little teething problem with some images being marked 'mature' when they're not but the usefulness of this filter outweighs the occasional hiccup IMO. Of course, this will only affect promos going forward - older mannequined images are there to stay.

    Edit: It goes beyond nudity too - reasonable displays of violence and blood can now be in promos if they help show off a product (so not just gratuitous for the sake of it) like a pose-set or a blood texture/prop set, among other stuff.

    Did this change recently then? I thought they did it ages ago and I lost the setting. 

    On these points, for genuinely mature content, I'd agree 100% that this is sensible. It saves potential embarrasment apart from anything else. But is there actually a single image on this entire site that anyone considers mature, at least from a nudity perspective? There is nothing I would feel bothered about browsing in public, and nothing I would care about children seeing, because they see the same things day in day out in pictures, in adverst, and on real people.

    Is this really, honestly offensive to anyone???

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-mk-nightgown-for-genesis-9

    But if we can lose the grey manequins that stop you seeing the products, then it's a step in the right direction.

    Please take a look at the Renderosity implementation (where there is genuinely mature content). I don't have to come on the forum to find an obscure setting, or ask your overworked support team. I click on a "Show Mature Content" button on the image. A bit more discoverable...

    But more importantly, the decision is surely based on where I am, not a "set once"? I don't want topless pictures on the train, I don't care at home. Again, the Renderosity implementation is a lot better in that regard. Although since the content isn't mature, it's probably better that every user of the site sets it once and forgets about it...

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  • AndrewJJPAndrewJJP Posts: 645
    edited March 15

    ...I take some of this back. it's actually very annoying. I have to sign in to see the so-called mature products, or click on every one of them, which is hassle, and even then, some of the images are hidden within the page.

    Again, I will point out that the Renderosity solution is light years ahead. Click the button, see all the products.

    And looking at my wishlist with the setting reverted, I see that products in there are blurred out. On the actual wishlist page. I added them to my wishlist. Doesn't that mean I'm OK with them???

    Message to the developers. If you must have this ridiculous feature, please implement it in a way that doesn't have any significant effect on the user experience regardless of whether the user is signed in or not. Other people have solved this problem.

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  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 1,963
    I have no insights into why DAZ is doing this at all, or at this time. On what might be a completely unrelated topic, there are a number of places online that are cracking down on content that can be perceived as including nudity or sexual content, even sites that used to explicitly allow such things. Rumors are generally that it is the credit card companies that are pushing the issue, and they might be reacting to changing laws in North America, for sites that do business in the region. It could be completely coincidental that DAZ is making changes at the same time, but looking at news around laws for content on the Internet might give some context to changes we will be seeing online.
  • generalgameplayinggeneralgameplaying Posts: 506

    PerttiA said:

    generalgameplaying said:

    What's mature these these days?

    Someone over fifty? 

    Did you get my joke on it?

  • AndrewJJPAndrewJJP Posts: 645
    edited March 15

    AlmightyQUEST said:

    I have no insights into why DAZ is doing this at all, or at this time. On what might be a completely unrelated topic, there are a number of places online that are cracking down on content that can be perceived as including nudity or sexual content, even sites that used to explicitly allow such things. Rumors are generally that it is the credit card companies that are pushing the issue, and they might be reacting to changing laws in North America, for sites that do business in the region. It could be completely coincidental that DAZ is making changes at the same time, but looking at news around laws for content on the Internet might give some context to changes we will be seeing online.

    Yes, I have heard that. But I think that's more about porn. I guess it's a theory, and none of us can know.

    But I don't think things on the Daz site are any different to this. I will be surprised if M&S decide to block these images on their site unless you create and account and opt to see them.

    https://www.marksandspencer.com/c/lingerie#intid=gnav_Lingerie

     

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  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,106
    edited March 15
    You forget that DAZ is a family friendly site. M&S (where I get 50%+ of my clothes) obviously isn't, otherwise it would be following the same buttoned up attitude. Or maybe there are currently quite significant cultural differences between the UK and US. Regards, Richard.
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  • AndrewJJPAndrewJJP Posts: 645
    edited March 15

    richardandtracy said:

    You forget that DAZ is a family friendly site. M&S (where I get 50%+ of my clothes) obviously isn't, otherwise it would be following the same buttoned up attitude. Or maybe there are currently quite significant cultural differences between the UK and US. Regards, Richard.

    I did indeed forget that! They have bouncers on the door now, lest a child should glimpse one of the underwear models!

    I always thought of the UK as pretty conservative, certainly compared to mainland Europe, but maybe the US is different again. I wonder what their clothes shops are like?

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  • jerhamjerham Posts: 153
    edited March 16

    I do understand that DAZ is a family site. However they really need to use 1 standard for mature content.

    For example:

    - P3D Shayleen HD for Genesis 9 | Daz 3D a girl wearing shorts and a top is mature content.

    - FN Chris HD for Genesis 9 | Daz 3D a guy wearing nothing but underwear is not mature content.

     Bare legs/showing some skin is not mature content in my opinion.

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  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,562

    As some have suggested it may not be a human making these decisions and possibly an AI bot that actually does. This would explain some of the very strange items being censored like brick textures. Civitai has been using AI for a long time to moderate posted images but in their case it seems to be far more accurate than what's going on here.

  • AndrewJJPAndrewJJP Posts: 645

    I don't see what decision needs to be made. There's nothing on this site that's mature.

    I dread to think what they would make of an Ann Summers shop window :D

  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,636

    AndrewJJP said:

    But is there actually a single image on this entire site that anyone considers mature, at least from a nudity perspective?

    Not yet, or at least not much. But with the new filter, PAs can now include this if they choose. It would still need to be within reason (so selling a character and showing off a default pose with nudity to show off skin details is okay. A sexualised pose for the same, not so much). Like I said - more going forward, but some older images may get caught up in it.

  • AndrewJJPAndrewJJP Posts: 645

    Silent Winter said:

    AndrewJJP said:

    But is there actually a single image on this entire site that anyone considers mature, at least from a nudity perspective?

    Not yet, or at least not much. But with the new filter, PAs can now include this if they choose. It would still need to be within reason (so selling a character and showing off a default pose with nudity to show off skin details is okay. A sexualised pose for the same, not so much). Like I said - more going forward, but some older images may get caught up in it.

    That's a really good point. I hope this can result in something more like we would see at Renderosity. So have a filter, but in return, raise the bar for what's permitted.

  • midgard229midgard229 Posts: 14
    msep_aec684d3fd said:

    Can someone tell me why DAZ has decided to blur images with the words "Mature Content" over them (when many of them do not contain mature content) and how I can get the site to stop this. Is there some setting I can change on the site? It is stupid to blur product images because I will generally not then click on something that you have chosen not to show me.

    It isn't on purpose, it's a glitch causing it to do it. They're working to fix it. It's supposed to be on only actual mature images but I believe it's Buggy right now
  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 1,813
    edited March 16

    Why has this "feature" been introduced in the first place?
    <enough time for reading, so edited>

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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 9,547

    Masterstroke said:

    Why has this "feature" been introduced in the first place?
    <enough time for reading, so edited>

    They did try it before with the "Show Mature Content" filter filter in the shop
    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/588971/new-daz-3d-safe-search-filter/p1
     

  • AndrewJJPAndrewJJP Posts: 645

    PerttiA said:

    Masterstroke said:

    Why has this "feature" been introduced in the first place?
    <enough time for reading, so edited>

    They did try it before with the "Show Mature Content" filter filter in the shop
    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/588971/new-daz-3d-safe-search-filter/p1
     

    It's a good idea but the bar is far, far, far too low, and consequently it's an annoying barrier to browsing the site. It also means PAs that don't want to be blocked must make useless previews which must surely affect sales, as will blurring content.

    Maybe they set will see sense and turn it off again. Hopefully anyway!

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,515
    edited March 17

    Maybe they think we are all geriatrics who might go into a cardiac arrest if we see a sock below the anklecheeky.

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  • The 13th Ghost BunnyThe 13th Ghost Bunny Posts: 7

    Been seeing this lately too and was wondering why. Some of the things marked as mature content are outright bizarre as well. A recent product, an abandoned room, had several images marked as mature, yet they were all just of some fully dressed guy sitting in a chair or standing up next to a window or something. Nothing mature about it. FG Egirl poses has several images obscured as mature and, again, not a single one of them actually shows mature content. Well, unless sitting at your computer is considered mature content these days. lol.

  • AndrewJJPAndrewJJP Posts: 645
    edited March 20

    I find it interesting how such innocent images we are exposed to every day as we walk the streets could be classed as mature, and I wonder it it's a matter of perspective.

    I know that what would count as mature in Germany is different to the UK, for example. I watch a fair bit of German TV on their main public service channel, most of which which is free to view globally. On Sunday, at 8:15, there was a programme with full frontal shots of a naked man (on a very popular show called Tatort). It wasn't in any way sexual, there was just a guy that happened to be naked. Never would you see that in the UK at that time, in fact I'm strugging to remember ever seeing such a thing at any time. I've seen topless women at lunchtime before.

    And my guess is that in the US, it goes in the opposite direction. But I really don't know. It's the only thing I've been able to think of that would explain this decision, which from my view of the world is utterly mystifying.

    Actually, I think this blurring and plastering "Mature" everywhere is me sligjtly more reluctant to look at the site in public in case I'm not logged in. "Mature Content" implies that I'm looking at some sort of adult site, rather than... well just nothing out of the ordinary.

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  • Ricochet180Ricochet180 Posts: 38

    I don't know what they're smoking with some of the "mature content." Fully dressed figure sitting down at a desk = "mature?"

     

    https://www.daz3d.com/rfx-izumi-for-g9 ; - what in any of these images is "mature?" Is it the dress having a cutout in the chest? Doesn't explain the others...

    https://www.daz3d.com/fg-egirl-poses-for-genesis-8-female - several poses (including the aforementioned "sitting at a desk") blurred as "mature?"

    Daz needs to stop this until (a) they get some sort of guideline and (b) *tell us what it is.* Because this is just silly. And just annoying when trying to shop for things.

  • Roman_K2Roman_K2 Posts: 1,206

    Shimrian said:

    I think the filters need a bit of tweaking.

    Heh heh. I wonder how the airplanes, aircraft and aeroplanes category is doing? The price of the Ghost Modifier toolkit was reduced this week - it was in FastGrab. I searched the string "ghost" and - you guessed it, nothing comes up.

    This must thrill the P.A.'s to no end.

  • algovincianalgovincian Posts: 2,576

    I have no inside information and am not claiming this is the case, but it did occur to me that maybe AI is involved in determining what "Mature Content" is? This might explain some of the odd decisions on what is flagged.

    - Greg

  • AndrewJJPAndrewJJP Posts: 645
    edited March 20

    it's so odd that I think that's very likely.

    But whatever the case, nobody has yet showed me an image that should be mature. And by that I mean something we wouldn't see in our everyday lives.

    • It's not people in underwear - walk past Victoria's Secret, Boux Avenue, Ann Summers, or even Marks and Spencer, and you see such things in the windows. Nobody thinks anything of it.
    • It can't be bare midriffs, Almost all young women here seem desparate to show off their bare midriffs, so that doesn't count.
    • Legs? Well no, the same applies.
    • And if i go swimming, I see swimming costumes and bikinis so that doesn't count.

    This is 2024, not 1824. Which items for sale here should be hidden by default in 2024? Maybe there are.a few, they are exceedingly rare.

    I think they need to get out more!

    Is anyone going to speak up in favour of this, just to provide some balance? Does anyone actually want it? Anyone???

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 97,175

    algovincian said:

    I have no inside information and am not claiming this is the case, but it did occur to me that maybe AI is involved in determining what "Mature Content" is? This might explain some of the odd decisions on what is flagged.

    - Greg

    Yes, AI is being used in this respect - Daz is aware that it is sometimes getting it wrong. A number of anomalies have now been fixed.

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