Where in the World has the Forum Gremlin gone Now? Complaint Thread

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  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075
    TroutFace said:

    Complaints! angry

    Only sen my boss once this week, when he delivered a users guide that I needed to reverse engineer the code that someone could have taught me about in one day instead of me having to spend ALL FRICKING WEEK tearing apart, analyzing, teaching myself buried pipeline corrosion chemistry, how to analyze pipeline/soil electric potential to see if your corosion protection electronics are working, how to correlate the readings into meaningful data, what the various charge differences meant as to the phsical state of the pipeline, the Federal regulations that mandate this mess, and how the product handles all this and more. angry

    All this withut the guy who ws supposed to be helping me... helping me.  He got called off all week into critical meetings. indecision

    So, as much as I shouldn't complain about getting paid to teach myself how to solve an entirely new problem domain, I am anway becaue it's a total waste of my customers money.  

    My agency is all "wtf", we talked on the phone for about 20 minutes this morning and they're wondering why they were in such a hurry to get me in the door.  I'm clueless.  Our only thought is that maybe the original developer was on his way out the door, and since his desk is empty and I haven't seen him (ever) there may be some truth to the concept. indecision

    Anyway, meh. indecision I need to find less stressful, less stupid, work.  Maybe I'm not too old to compose music for film, Austin has a thriving film community... indecision

    Every now and then I get a spark of ambition and say to myself: "Self, the economy's improving you can go back to work and find something meaningful and lucrative to do". Then I have breakfast and the feeling goes away.

     

    I believe that, after over 3 years programming stupid computers, I'm finally getting tired of it.  I'm down to one compiler on the computerm only 2 3D art programs, 3 2D art programs and several thousand dollars of audio software. surprise I just can't write code at home any more, I get home and I want to chat, play games, or compose music! devil

    If Had a steady $300/week income, I'd walk away from all this and focus on music.. just live and create. My dream! laugh

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,438
    MistyMist said:

    I do not like vampires because it is a fad.

    But the vampire movies are a fad and already have been largely replaced by zombies, and I believe even they are on the way out, being replaced by post apocalyptic teen hero movies.

     

     

    what?  i still watch  Underworld1 & 2 like every other month.   i like Kate, and the Michael actor is like yummi.

    It's like a ritual, with snacks. Ben& Jerry's brownie ice cream and vampires.

    The Patricia Briggs novels still has vampires and werewolves.  

    Kim Harrison had lesbian vampires. but see, Kim Harrison had a twist on the vampires, she made them living vampires, til they died,then they were vampire vampires.

    And you can still find westerns too.  It all comes and goes as fads like clothing styles.  But nothing's ever really new.  Yellow bow instead of red, hemline up, hemline down, backless, strapless, shiney, coarse, polkadots, stripes.  Once you see the limited patterns in the changes it all fades into meaninglessness.  It's the curse of old age and long memory.

     

    So in other words do not write or create art to please you as you would not like it anyways?

  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075

    Complaint: my bain huts worse! cryingcrying

    Non-complaint: managed to scrounge up some money for wodka and beer this weekend! laughdevil

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    snowcada  tee hee   wanted to animate intrepid explorer but got stuck trying to spin a sphere 360 degrees >.<

    TGIF

    BEER

    a last bit of eggnog to pollish off  

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,604
    edited January 2016
    MistyMist said:

    I do not like vampires because it is a fad.

    But the vampire movies are a fad and already have been largely replaced by zombies, and I believe even they are on the way out, being replaced by post apocalyptic teen hero movies.

     

     

    what?  i still watch  Underworld1 & 2 like every other month.   i like Kate, and the Michael actor is like yummi.

    It's like a ritual, with snacks. Ben& Jerry's brownie ice cream and vampires.

    The Patricia Briggs novels still has vampires and werewolves.  

    Kim Harrison had lesbian vampires. but see, Kim Harrison had a twist on the vampires, she made them living vampires, til they died,then they were vampire vampires.

    And you can still find westerns too.  It all comes and goes as fads like clothing styles.  But nothing's ever really new.  Yellow bow instead of red, hemline up, hemline down, backless, strapless, shiney, coarse, polkadots, stripes.  Once you see the limited patterns in the changes it all fades into meaninglessness.  It's the curse of old age and long memory.

     

    So in other words do not write or create art to please you as you would not like it anyways?

    If that's what you want to believe, but that's not what I said.  I never said I didn't like the new stuff, I just don't like derivative works pretending they're new.  How many times can one watch the same movie?  When one recognizes a plot line and begins predicting the rest of the movie it's time to go for a pee or go home. 

    The great artworks hold one's attention longer than others.  I love classical music and love all the greats but I'm going through a phase where I'll turn away from Beethoven & Brahms because it's too familiar.  I poke around a bit and find something by a lesser known composer or artist or director that is different enough to warrant examination.  But I find that many of the lesser artist have but one style which can be exciting when first discovered but quickly becomes boring.  The greats are great because they are masters of style and bring a freshness to each creation.  Then one day I'll remember Beethoven and the joy returns.  Great works of art become classics because they have something that survives the test of time and are rediscovered by subsequent generations.  Lesser art of which there is an abundant supply may become popular but quickly fades away.

    And please don't believe that I am attacking you or your favorite art, I'm not.  Just because some art style becomes a fad doesn't mean it was bad art, it just means that for a while a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon, reveled in the hay then got off the wagon for something else.  You do what you want to do, see what you want to see, be who you want to be.  If you're comfortable doing what you do and it's not hurting anybody else then go for it.

    Personally though I'd like to look in the paper for a Saturday afternoon movie that doesn't involve vampires, zombies, supermen, or teen hero cliques.

     

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,438
    MistyMist said:

    I do not like vampires because it is a fad.

    But the vampire movies are a fad and already have been largely replaced by zombies, and I believe even they are on the way out, being replaced by post apocalyptic teen hero movies.

     

     

    what?  i still watch  Underworld1 & 2 like every other month.   i like Kate, and the Michael actor is like yummi.

    It's like a ritual, with snacks. Ben& Jerry's brownie ice cream and vampires.

    The Patricia Briggs novels still has vampires and werewolves.  

    Kim Harrison had lesbian vampires. but see, Kim Harrison had a twist on the vampires, she made them living vampires, til they died,then they were vampire vampires.

    And you can still find westerns too.  It all comes and goes as fads like clothing styles.  But nothing's ever really new.  Yellow bow instead of red, hemline up, hemline down, backless, strapless, shiney, coarse, polkadots, stripes.  Once you see the limited patterns in the changes it all fades into meaninglessness.  It's the curse of old age and long memory.

     

    So in other words do not write or create art to please you as you would not like it anyways?

    If that's what you want to believe, but that's not what I said.  I never said I didn't like the old stuff, I just don't like derivative works pretending they're new.  How many times can one watch the same movie?  When one recognizes a plot line and begins predicting the rest of the movie it's time to go for a pee or go home. 

    The great artworks hold one's attention longer than others.  I love classical music and love all the greats but I'm going through a phase where I'll turn away from Beethoven & Brahms because it's too familiar.  I poke around a bit and find something by a lesser known composer or artist or director that is different enough to warrant examination.  But I find that many of the lesser artist have but one style which can be exciting when first discovered but quickly becomes boring.  The greats are great because they are masters of style and bring a freshness to each creation.  Then one day I'll remember Beethoven and the joy returns.  Great works of art become classics because they have something that survives the test of time and are rediscovered by subsequent generations.  Lesser art of which there is an abundant supply may become popular but quickly fades away.

    And please don't believe that I am attacking you or your favorite art, I'm not.  Just because some art style becomes a fad doesn't mean it was bad art, it just means that for a while a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon, reveled in the hay then got off the wagon for something else.  You do what you want to do, see what you want to see, be who you want to be.  If you're comfortable doing what you do and it's not hurting anybody else then go for it.

    Personally though I'd like to look in the paper for a Saturday afternoon movie that doesn't involve vampires, zombies, supermen, or teen hero cliques.

     

    I did not mean to misunderstand you.

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,438

    Sorry to misunderstand you.  I do not know what to say but I am also trying some experiments with iRay and Genesis 3 female.

  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,239
    DanaTA said:
    MistyMist said:

    they made a new Xfiles?

    More proof that Hollywood is completely out of new ideas.

    Loved the old one until they started chasing aliens every week.  Does anybody remember the cockroach episode?  Or the one with the guy who's brother was living in his belly?  Okay, that one was weird.  LOLZ

    They brought it back because the fans wanted it, not because they were out of ideas.  I think they will wrap up the overarching storyline, I doubt it will go into more seasons.  But who knows at this point?

    Dana

    They may have brought it back because of of pressure from fans, but that still doesn't eliminate the theory that Hollywood is out of ideas.  I've friends inside the industry and heard them complaining about the derth of truely new ideas.  I can believe it because after 60 years of watching new movies and TV shows, I notice nothing really new.  Ho hum, boring!  That's probably one of the reasons that the industry keeps moving toward younger and younger viewers, they need people who haven't already seen it all.  And I am waiting with bated breath for the current vampire and zombie fads to either exsanguinate or rot away.

     

    Well, no, it doesn't eliminate the theory.  Just like if everyone at an ice cream bar orders a root beer float, doesn't mean they're out of ginger ale...but it doesn't mean they're not out of it, either.  Just that there are a lot of fans of root beer floats!

    Actually, I do think they are having difficulties coming up with new ideas.  One thing, though.  There are no new stories to be told.  There are only a handful of stories.  How they are told, in which timeline they are told (past, present, future), any ethnical twists added, and so on, that's what makes the story interesting enough to indulge in again.  Boy meets girl, good vs. evil, overcoming obstacles, adventures in new places, pioneering a continent or scientific research, etc.  Same stories, different environments, time periods, political environments.  There was nothing new about Star Wars except the graphics and effects, the story was one told over and over throughout time.  Presentation makes the story, and for a film, direction and acting, and good editing.

    Dana

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,438

    It seems to take forever for an iRay render test.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150
    TroutFace said:

    Complaints! angry

    Only sen my boss once this week, when he delivered a users guide that I needed to reverse engineer the code that someone could have taught me about in one day instead of me having to spend ALL FRICKING WEEK tearing apart, analyzing, teaching myself buried pipeline corrosion chemistry, how to analyze pipeline/soil electric potential to see if your corosion protection electronics are working, how to correlate the readings into meaningful data, what the various charge differences meant as to the phsical state of the pipeline, the Federal regulations that mandate this mess, and how the product handles all this and more. angry

    All this withut the guy who ws supposed to be helping me... helping me.  He got called off all week into critical meetings. indecision

    So, as much as I shouldn't complain about getting paid to teach myself how to solve an entirely new problem domain, I am anway becaue it's a total waste of my customers money.  

    My agency is all "wtf", we talked on the phone for about 20 minutes this morning and they're wondering why they were in such a hurry to get me in the door.  I'm clueless.  Our only thought is that maybe the original developer was on his way out the door, and since his desk is empty and I haven't seen him (ever) there may be some truth to the concept. indecision

    Anyway, meh. indecision I need to find less stressful, less stupid, work.  Maybe I'm not too old to compose music for film, Austin has a thriving film community... indecision

    ..sounds a bit like one of your previous positions where the person you needed was rarely if ever there.

    Have a friend who was in a fairly decent paying position this kind of thing happened to.  He was supposed to have a team assist him but ended up doing everything himself.  Had no life outside the job.  Finally he left and, after a similarly bad experience at the next company he worked for (which also took away just about every waking hour of his life) decided to get together with a couple other entrepreneurs and set up his own development firm.  I actually see him more often than every two months now.

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,438

    How can I tell someone to leave me alone without being rude?

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150
    edited January 2016
    TroutFace said:
    TroutFace said:

    Complaints! angry

    Only sen my boss once this week, when he delivered a users guide that I needed to reverse engineer the code that someone could have taught me about in one day instead of me having to spend ALL FRICKING WEEK tearing apart, analyzing, teaching myself buried pipeline corrosion chemistry, how to analyze pipeline/soil electric potential to see if your corosion protection electronics are working, how to correlate the readings into meaningful data, what the various charge differences meant as to the phsical state of the pipeline, the Federal regulations that mandate this mess, and how the product handles all this and more. angry

    All this withut the guy who ws supposed to be helping me... helping me.  He got called off all week into critical meetings. indecision

    So, as much as I shouldn't complain about getting paid to teach myself how to solve an entirely new problem domain, I am anway becaue it's a total waste of my customers money.  

    My agency is all "wtf", we talked on the phone for about 20 minutes this morning and they're wondering why they were in such a hurry to get me in the door.  I'm clueless.  Our only thought is that maybe the original developer was on his way out the door, and since his desk is empty and I haven't seen him (ever) there may be some truth to the concept. indecision

    Anyway, meh. indecision I need to find less stressful, less stupid, work.  Maybe I'm not too old to compose music for film, Austin has a thriving film community... indecision

    Every now and then I get a spark of ambition and say to myself: "Self, the economy's improving you can go back to work and find something meaningful and lucrative to do". Then I have breakfast and the feeling goes away.

     

    I believe that, after over 3 years programming stupid computers, I'm finally getting tired of it.  I'm down to one compiler on the computerm only 2 3D art programs, 3 2D art programs and several thousand dollars of audio software. surprise I just can't write code at home any more, I get home and I want to chat, play games, or compose music! devil

    If Had a steady $300/week income, I'd walk away from all this and focus on music.. just live and create. My dream! laugh

    ...here in Portland, that would barely pay rent. You would need to make twice that just to have some left over to live on and enjoy a few simple pleasures.

    I hear you on the burnout factor.  Why I never want back into it and still have no interest to even after twenty years.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,188

    Sorry to misunderstand you.  I do not know what to say but I am also trying some experiments with iRay and Genesis 3 female.

    Do whatever you enjoy, Miss Kulay. smiley

  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,188

    The potholes are big up there, huh K.K.?

    Meanwhile, in Oregon...

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,438

    Trying to get back into writing but not gettting into the mood.  I do not know what to do

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,604
    edited January 2016
    DanaTA said:
    DanaTA said:
    MistyMist said:

    they made a new Xfiles?

    More proof that Hollywood is completely out of new ideas.

    Loved the old one until they started chasing aliens every week.  Does anybody remember the cockroach episode?  Or the one with the guy who's brother was living in his belly?  Okay, that one was weird.  LOLZ

    They brought it back because the fans wanted it, not because they were out of ideas.  I think they will wrap up the overarching storyline, I doubt it will go into more seasons.  But who knows at this point?

    Dana

    They may have brought it back because of of pressure from fans, but that still doesn't eliminate the theory that Hollywood is out of ideas.  I've friends inside the industry and heard them complaining about the derth of truely new ideas.  I can believe it because after 60 years of watching new movies and TV shows, I notice nothing really new.  Ho hum, boring!  That's probably one of the reasons that the industry keeps moving toward younger and younger viewers, they need people who haven't already seen it all.  And I am waiting with bated breath for the current vampire and zombie fads to either exsanguinate or rot away.

     

    Well, no, it doesn't eliminate the theory.  Just like if everyone at an ice cream bar orders a root beer float, doesn't mean they're out of ginger ale...but it doesn't mean they're not out of it, either.  Just that there are a lot of fans of root beer floats!

    Actually, I do think they are having difficulties coming up with new ideas.  One thing, though.  There are no new stories to be told.  There are only a handful of stories.  How they are told, in which timeline they are told (past, present, future), any ethnical twists added, and so on, that's what makes the story interesting enough to indulge in again.  Boy meets girl, good vs. evil, overcoming obstacles, adventures in new places, pioneering a continent or scientific research, etc.  Same stories, different environments, time periods, political environments.  There was nothing new about Star Wars except the graphics and effects, the story was one told over and over throughout time.  Presentation makes the story, and for a film, direction and acting, and good editing.

    Dana

    Well, when it actually comes down to it, I've pretty much given up on fiction stories.  Like you say, the stories are just dressed differently.  I'm an avid consumer of science documentaries, and semi-lay person science journals that don't involve me in the math, only the concepts.  Reality has much more appeal to me than fiction.  Although I detest those scripted "reality" shows on TV.  Mostly complete trash.  Even science fiction isn't much of a turn on anymore, I get much more brain activity from science fact.  I've gone back and re-read some of the great science fiction stories but new ones leave me cold.  I'd rather get my science straight from the horse's mouth and imagine my own possibilities.  Also,  I'd never had much of an interest in history but now I find I enjoy a well written biography of well known personages. 

     

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150
    MistyMist said:

    I do not like vampires because it is a fad.

    But the vampire movies are a fad and already have been largely replaced by zombies, and I believe even they are on the way out, being replaced by post apocalyptic teen hero movies.

     

     

    what?  i still watch  Underworld1 & 2 like every other month.   i like Kate, and the Michael actor is like yummi.

    It's like a ritual, with snacks. Ben& Jerry's brownie ice cream and vampires.

    The Patricia Briggs novels still has vampires and werewolves.  

    Kim Harrison had lesbian vampires. but see, Kim Harrison had a twist on the vampires, she made them living vampires, til they died,then they were vampire vampires.

    And you can still find westerns too.  It all comes and goes as fads like clothing styles.  But nothing's ever really new.  Yellow bow instead of red, hemline up, hemline down, backless, strapless, shiney, coarse, polkadots, stripes.  Once you see the limited patterns in the changes it all fades into meaninglessness.  It's the curse of old age and long memory.

     

    So in other words do not write or create art to please you as you would not like it anyways?

    If that's what you want to believe, but that's not what I said.  I never said I didn't like the old stuff, I just don't like derivative works pretending they're new.  How many times can one watch the same movie?  When one recognizes a plot line and begins predicting the rest of the movie it's time to go for a pee or go home. 

    The great artworks hold one's attention longer than others.  I love classical music and love all the greats but I'm going through a phase where I'll turn away from Beethoven & Brahms because it's too familiar.  I poke around a bit and find something by a lesser known composer or artist or director that is different enough to warrant examination.  But I find that many of the lesser artist have but one style which can be exciting when first discovered but quickly becomes boring.  The greats are great because they are masters of style and bring a freshness to each creation.  Then one day I'll remember Beethoven and the joy returns.  Great works of art become classics because they have something that survives the test of time and are rediscovered by subsequent generations.  Lesser art of which there is an abundant supply may become popular but quickly fades away.

    And please don't believe that I am attacking you or your favorite art, I'm not.  Just because some art style becomes a fad doesn't mean it was bad art, it just means that for a while a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon, reveled in the hay then got off the wagon for something else.  You do what you want to do, see what you want to see, be who you want to be.  If you're comfortable doing what you do and it's not hurting anybody else then go for it.

    Personally though I'd like to look in the paper for a Saturday afternoon movie that doesn't involve vampires, zombies, supermen, or teen hero cliques.

     

    ...I got turned onto ragtime and early jazz years before The Sting was released. I particularly loved the syncopation of Ragtime which was is actually quite challenging to work with. I was familiar with not just Joplin, but Hayden and other contemporaries.

    Then came the film and after that all everyone seemed to want to hear was The Entertainer.  Great piece of music, but it was now everywhere as ragtime became the latest "fad" thanks to the film. I finally set my own moratorium on playing the piece and dove into the lesser known works by Joplin as well as those of his contemporaries. What was really sad is so many times I heard ragtime played, it was usually at the "breakneck" Tin Pan Alley tempo (Joplin himself often noted on the scores that ragtime was not meant to be played fast).

    The worst violator was the Shakey's pizza chain which gave the public a very inaccurate perspective of the music not only through fast tempos and over embellishment, but they had a special fixture on the piano that inserted a strip with metal studs between the hammers and strings to give the piano a very "tinny" sound.that was supposed to be considered "authentic". 

    In fact, nothing could be further than the truth as Joplin himself composed these works for the concert stage. Across the ocean in France, ragtime actually became very popular and highly regarded as a "true and original" American style of composition. There, works by Joplin and his contemporaries were performed in recital halls and salons on grand pianos.

    Fortunately, by the early 1980s the fad had faded and the music slipped back into blissful obscurity.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150
    edited January 2016
    Tjohn said:

    The potholes are big up there, huh K.K.?

    Meanwhile, in Oregon...

    ...yup. Down south of Brookings near the California State line.

    Not more than a few blocks away from me there are a couple on one of the side streets almost big enough to fit a Smart Car in

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776

    Morning. Small birds out in large numbers in our garden eyeing off the strawberry patch and chasing lil white butterflies around :)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150
    edited January 2016

    ...fly faster flutterbys, fly faster!!!

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    TroutFace said:
    TroutFace said:

    Complaints! angry

    Only sen my boss once this week, when he delivered a users guide that I needed to reverse engineer the code that someone could have taught me about in one day instead of me having to spend ALL FRICKING WEEK tearing apart, analyzing, teaching myself buried pipeline corrosion chemistry, how to analyze pipeline/soil electric potential to see if your corosion protection electronics are working, how to correlate the readings into meaningful data, what the various charge differences meant as to the phsical state of the pipeline, the Federal regulations that mandate this mess, and how the product handles all this and more. angry

    All this withut the guy who ws supposed to be helping me... helping me.  He got called off all week into critical meetings. indecision

    So, as much as I shouldn't complain about getting paid to teach myself how to solve an entirely new problem domain, I am anway becaue it's a total waste of my customers money.  

    My agency is all "wtf", we talked on the phone for about 20 minutes this morning and they're wondering why they were in such a hurry to get me in the door.  I'm clueless.  Our only thought is that maybe the original developer was on his way out the door, and since his desk is empty and I haven't seen him (ever) there may be some truth to the concept. indecision

    Anyway, meh. indecision I need to find less stressful, less stupid, work.  Maybe I'm not too old to compose music for film, Austin has a thriving film community... indecision

    Every now and then I get a spark of ambition and say to myself: "Self, the economy's improving you can go back to work and find something meaningful and lucrative to do". Then I have breakfast and the feeling goes away.

     

    I believe that, after over 3 years programming stupid computers, I'm finally getting tired of it.  I'm down to one compiler on the computerm only 2 3D art programs, 3 2D art programs and several thousand dollars of audio software. surprise I just can't write code at home any more, I get home and I want to chat, play games, or compose music! devil

    If Had a steady $300/week income, I'd walk away from all this and focus on music.. just live and create. My dream! laugh

    Derrick May and Jeff Mills are on here tonight with a symphony orchestra in the park, should be a thing :)

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    kyoto kid said:
    Tjohn said:

    The potholes are big up there, huh K.K.?

    Meanwhile, in Oregon...

    ...yup. Down south of Brookings near the California State line.

    Not more than a few blocks away from me there are a couple on one of the side streets almost big enough to fit a Smart Car in

    serious pot hole heh you wouldn't want to be pulling out of the driveway half asleep :)

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,438

    Trying out the orc tusks.  Not sure what she is though.

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  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776

    Trying out the orc tusks.  Not sure what she is though.

    she looks fearsome and hey a reverse vampire, that bottom bite has got to be dangerous :)

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    kyoto kid said:
    MistyMist said:

    I do not like vampires because it is a fad.

    But the vampire movies are a fad and already have been largely replaced by zombies, and I believe even they are on the way out, being replaced by post apocalyptic teen hero movies.

     

     

    what?  i still watch  Underworld1 & 2 like every other month.   i like Kate, and the Michael actor is like yummi.

    It's like a ritual, with snacks. Ben& Jerry's brownie ice cream and vampires.

    The Patricia Briggs novels still has vampires and werewolves.  

    Kim Harrison had lesbian vampires. but see, Kim Harrison had a twist on the vampires, she made them living vampires, til they died,then they were vampire vampires.

    And you can still find westerns too.  It all comes and goes as fads like clothing styles.  But nothing's ever really new.  Yellow bow instead of red, hemline up, hemline down, backless, strapless, shiney, coarse, polkadots, stripes.  Once you see the limited patterns in the changes it all fades into meaninglessness.  It's the curse of old age and long memory.

     

    So in other words do not write or create art to please you as you would not like it anyways?

    If that's what you want to believe, but that's not what I said.  I never said I didn't like the old stuff, I just don't like derivative works pretending they're new.  How many times can one watch the same movie?  When one recognizes a plot line and begins predicting the rest of the movie it's time to go for a pee or go home. 

    The great artworks hold one's attention longer than others.  I love classical music and love all the greats but I'm going through a phase where I'll turn away from Beethoven & Brahms because it's too familiar.  I poke around a bit and find something by a lesser known composer or artist or director that is different enough to warrant examination.  But I find that many of the lesser artist have but one style which can be exciting when first discovered but quickly becomes boring.  The greats are great because they are masters of style and bring a freshness to each creation.  Then one day I'll remember Beethoven and the joy returns.  Great works of art become classics because they have something that survives the test of time and are rediscovered by subsequent generations.  Lesser art of which there is an abundant supply may become popular but quickly fades away.

    And please don't believe that I am attacking you or your favorite art, I'm not.  Just because some art style becomes a fad doesn't mean it was bad art, it just means that for a while a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon, reveled in the hay then got off the wagon for something else.  You do what you want to do, see what you want to see, be who you want to be.  If you're comfortable doing what you do and it's not hurting anybody else then go for it.

    Personally though I'd like to look in the paper for a Saturday afternoon movie that doesn't involve vampires, zombies, supermen, or teen hero cliques.

     

    ...I got turned onto ragtime and early jazz years before The Sting was released. I particularly loved the syncopation of Ragtime which was is actually quite challenging to work with. I was familiar with not just Joplin, but Hayden and other contemporaries.

    Then came the film and after that all everyone seemed to want to hear was The Entertainer.  Great piece of music, but it was now everywhere as ragtime became the latest "fad" thanks to the film. I finally set my own moratorium on playing the piece and dove into the lesser known works by Joplin as well as those of his contemporaries. What was really sad is so many times I heard ragtime played, it was usually at the "breakneck" Tin Pan Alley tempo (Joplin himself often noted on the scores that ragtime was not meant to be played fast).

    The worst violator was the Shakey's pizza chain which gave the public a very inaccurate perspective of the music not only through fast tempos and over embellishment, but they had a special fixture on the piano that inserted a strip with metal studs between the hammers and strings to give the piano a very "tinny" sound.that was supposed to be considered "authentic". 

    In fact, nothing could be further than the truth as Joplin himself composed these works for the concert stage. Across the ocean in France, ragtime actually became very popular and highly regarded as a "true and original" American style of composition. There, works by Joplin and his contemporaries were performed in recital halls and salons on grand pianos.

    Fortunately, by the early 1980s the fad had faded and the music slipped back into blissful obscurity.

    Only thing I know about honkytonk is to avoid gin soaked bar room queens in Memphis :)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150

    ...honkytonk is totally different than ragtime. Ragtime is related to jazz and blues.  Honkytonk is a style of country music.

    Sadly, because of the social prejudices of the time, ragtime, blues and early jazz was looked down on as inferior, and representative of a more seedy lifestyle here in the US because bars and clubs in red light districts were about the only venues performers and composers could get a gig at.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    Trying to get back into writing but not gettting into the mood.  I do not know what to do

     

    watch a movie?

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    kyoto kid said:
    Tjohn said:

    The potholes are big up there, huh K.K.?

    Meanwhile, in Oregon...

    ...yup. Down south of Brookings near the California State line.

    Not more than a few blocks away from me there are a couple on one of the side streets almost big enough to fit a Smart Car in

    eeeks  gophers?

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    ps1borg said:
    kyoto kid said:
    MistyMist said:

    I do not like vampires because it is a fad.

    But the vampire movies are a fad and already have been largely replaced by zombies, and I believe even they are on the way out, being replaced by post apocalyptic teen hero movies.

     

     

    what?  i still watch  Underworld1 & 2 like every other month.   i like Kate, and the Michael actor is like yummi.

    It's like a ritual, with snacks. Ben& Jerry's brownie ice cream and vampires.

    The Patricia Briggs novels still has vampires and werewolves.  

    Kim Harrison had lesbian vampires. but see, Kim Harrison had a twist on the vampires, she made them living vampires, til they died,then they were vampire vampires.

    And you can still find westerns too.  It all comes and goes as fads like clothing styles.  But nothing's ever really new.  Yellow bow instead of red, hemline up, hemline down, backless, strapless, shiney, coarse, polkadots, stripes.  Once you see the limited patterns in the changes it all fades into meaninglessness.  It's the curse of old age and long memory.

     

    So in other words do not write or create art to please you as you would not like it anyways?

    If that's what you want to believe, but that's not what I said.  I never said I didn't like the old stuff, I just don't like derivative works pretending they're new.  How many times can one watch the same movie?  When one recognizes a plot line and begins predicting the rest of the movie it's time to go for a pee or go home. 

    The great artworks hold one's attention longer than others.  I love classical music and love all the greats but I'm going through a phase where I'll turn away from Beethoven & Brahms because it's too familiar.  I poke around a bit and find something by a lesser known composer or artist or director that is different enough to warrant examination.  But I find that many of the lesser artist have but one style which can be exciting when first discovered but quickly becomes boring.  The greats are great because they are masters of style and bring a freshness to each creation.  Then one day I'll remember Beethoven and the joy returns.  Great works of art become classics because they have something that survives the test of time and are rediscovered by subsequent generations.  Lesser art of which there is an abundant supply may become popular but quickly fades away.

    And please don't believe that I am attacking you or your favorite art, I'm not.  Just because some art style becomes a fad doesn't mean it was bad art, it just means that for a while a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon, reveled in the hay then got off the wagon for something else.  You do what you want to do, see what you want to see, be who you want to be.  If you're comfortable doing what you do and it's not hurting anybody else then go for it.

    Personally though I'd like to look in the paper for a Saturday afternoon movie that doesn't involve vampires, zombies, supermen, or teen hero cliques.

     

    ...I got turned onto ragtime and early jazz years before The Sting was released. I particularly loved the syncopation of Ragtime which was is actually quite challenging to work with. I was familiar with not just Joplin, but Hayden and other contemporaries.

    Then came the film and after that all everyone seemed to want to hear was The Entertainer.  Great piece of music, but it was now everywhere as ragtime became the latest "fad" thanks to the film. I finally set my own moratorium on playing the piece and dove into the lesser known works by Joplin as well as those of his contemporaries. What was really sad is so many times I heard ragtime played, it was usually at the "breakneck" Tin Pan Alley tempo (Joplin himself often noted on the scores that ragtime was not meant to be played fast).

    The worst violator was the Shakey's pizza chain which gave the public a very inaccurate perspective of the music not only through fast tempos and over embellishment, but they had a special fixture on the piano that inserted a strip with metal studs between the hammers and strings to give the piano a very "tinny" sound.that was supposed to be considered "authentic". 

    In fact, nothing could be further than the truth as Joplin himself composed these works for the concert stage. Across the ocean in France, ragtime actually became very popular and highly regarded as a "true and original" American style of composition. There, works by Joplin and his contemporaries were performed in recital halls and salons on grand pianos.

    Fortunately, by the early 1980s the fad had faded and the music slipped back into blissful obscurity.

    Only thing I know about honkytonk is to avoid gin soaked bar room queens in Memphis :)

    tee hee

    she tried to take me upstairs for a ride ...

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    tee hee heeeeeeee

    this so funny is killing me wheeeeeeeeeeze

     

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