Where in the World has the Forum Gremlin gone Now? Complaint Thread

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  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    kyoto kid said:
    MistyMist said:

    i'll have to stop wimping out and go to work tomorrow,

    remember the fun of lining up the motherboard with the jumpers?

    ...glad not to have to deal with that anymore.

    had a look into the Titan cards wow rated 250 watt TDP but around the same as the six gig cards so that's maybe a floor? There are 2 D700 GPUs in one of my macs think they are rated more or less the same, iz like a fan heater when they get going :) Also RAM seems cheap again? 

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776

    I wore shorts and a t-shirt today.  And sandals.  Until I had to go out; then I put on real shoes.  cheeky

    They still don't let you go to work nude here, just as well I guess...

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776

    I feel so tired but I do not know why

    looking at the schedule this morning made me feel tired before I even got to work :)

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,442

    trying to remember where I last left off in Doctor Who.  I want to catch up so badly but I do not want to watch the same dino episode over and over again.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150
    ps1borg said:
    kyoto kid said:
    MistyMist said:

    i'll have to stop wimping out and go to work tomorrow,

    remember the fun of lining up the motherboard with the jumpers?

    ...glad not to have to deal with that anymore.

    had a look into the Titan cards wow rated 250 watt TDP but around the same as the six gig cards so that's maybe a floor? There are 2 D700 GPUs in one of my macs think they are rated more or less the same, iz like a fan heater when they get going :) Also RAM seems cheap again? 

    ...as to memory, yes it does, I can now get the 24 GB,DDR3 1333 Tri channel kit to upgrade my system for only 139$ now (when I originally built my system it was something like 750$).  Great price except for the fact I have to drop another 135$ on an OEM of WIN 7 Pro 64 as I have the Home Edition which only supports up to 16 GB. So still a somewhat pricey option.

    Won't do the "free Windows 10" deal as with the strings attached, it makes "free" not a very good price.

    Also need to think about getting something like one fo those 4 GB GTX740s for now just so I have more Viewport horsepower and can run in IRay view mode without Daz crashing. That's another 115$. Won't be the quickest for GPU rendering as it has about as many cores as my current 1 GB one does.  However without having Iray view mode, it is impossible to set up a scene using an HDRI as I cannot see the surrounding environment.

  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,240
    kyoto kid said:
    ps1borg said:
    kyoto kid said:
    MistyMist said:

    i'll have to stop wimping out and go to work tomorrow,

    remember the fun of lining up the motherboard with the jumpers?

    ...glad not to have to deal with that anymore.

    had a look into the Titan cards wow rated 250 watt TDP but around the same as the six gig cards so that's maybe a floor? There are 2 D700 GPUs in one of my macs think they are rated more or less the same, iz like a fan heater when they get going :) Also RAM seems cheap again? 

    ...as to memory, yes it does, I can now get the 24 GB,DDR3 1333 Tri channel kit to upgrade my system for only 139$ now (when I originally built my system it was something like 750$).  Great price except for the fact I have to drop another 135$ on an OEM of WIN 7 Pro 64 as I have the Home Edition which only supports up to 16 GB. So still a somewhat pricey option.

    Won't do the "free Windows 10" deal as with the strings attached, it makes "free" not a very good price.

    Also need to think about getting something like one fo those 4 GB GTX740s for now just so I have more Viewport horsepower and can run in IRay view mode without Daz crashing. That's another 115$. Won't be the quickest for GPU rendering as it has about as many cores as my current 1 GB one does.  However without having Iray view mode, it is impossible to set up a scene using an HDRI as I cannot see the surrounding environment.

    You can't do a spot render here and there to know where things are lining up?

    Dana

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,442

    I want to watch Doctor Who but my roommate wants to watch Vampire Diaries.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150
    edited January 2016
    DanaTA said:
    kyoto kid said:
    ps1borg said:
    kyoto kid said:
    MistyMist said:

    i'll have to stop wimping out and go to work tomorrow,

    remember the fun of lining up the motherboard with the jumpers?

    ...glad not to have to deal with that anymore.

    had a look into the Titan cards wow rated 250 watt TDP but around the same as the six gig cards so that's maybe a floor? There are 2 D700 GPUs in one of my macs think they are rated more or less the same, iz like a fan heater when they get going :) Also RAM seems cheap again? 

    ...as to memory, yes it does, I can now get the 24 GB,DDR3 1333 Tri channel kit to upgrade my system for only 139$ now (when I originally built my system it was something like 750$).  Great price except for the fact I have to drop another 135$ on an OEM of WIN 7 Pro 64 as I have the Home Edition which only supports up to 16 GB. So still a somewhat pricey option.

    Won't do the "free Windows 10" deal as with the strings attached, it makes "free" not a very good price.

    Also need to think about getting something like one fo those 4 GB GTX740s for now just so I have more Viewport horsepower and can run in IRay view mode without Daz crashing. That's another 115$. Won't be the quickest for GPU rendering as it has about as many cores as my current 1 GB one does.  However without having Iray view mode, it is impossible to set up a scene using an HDRI as I cannot see the surrounding environment.

    You can't do a spot render here and there to know where things are lining up?

    Dana

    ...I still find it difficult to place characters and props without being able to see the full setting.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • I want to watch Doctor Who but my roommate wants to watch Vampire Diaries.

    Compromise with Vampires of Venice?

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    kyoto kid said:
    ps1borg said:
    kyoto kid said:
    MistyMist said:

    i'll have to stop wimping out and go to work tomorrow,

    remember the fun of lining up the motherboard with the jumpers?

    ...glad not to have to deal with that anymore.

    had a look into the Titan cards wow rated 250 watt TDP but around the same as the six gig cards so that's maybe a floor? There are 2 D700 GPUs in one of my macs think they are rated more or less the same, iz like a fan heater when they get going :) Also RAM seems cheap again? 

    ...as to memory, yes it does, I can now get the 24 GB,DDR3 1333 Tri channel kit to upgrade my system for only 139$ now (when I originally built my system it was something like 750$).  Great price except for the fact I have to drop another 135$ on an OEM of WIN 7 Pro 64 as I have the Home Edition which only supports up to 16 GB. So still a somewhat pricey option.

    Won't do the "free Windows 10" deal as with the strings attached, it makes "free" not a very good price.

    Also need to think about getting something like one fo those 4 GB GTX740s for now just so I have more Viewport horsepower and can run in IRay view mode without Daz crashing. That's another 115$. Won't be the quickest for GPU rendering as it has about as many cores as my current 1 GB one does.  However without having Iray view mode, it is impossible to set up a scene using an HDRI as I cannot see the surrounding environment.

    Win 10 pro is 300 aussie dollars from the ms store here, I guess that is a retail rather than OEM version but anyhow I think Vista was a few hundred dollars more back in the day. Was suprised how cheap RAM got. 

    FWIW I found 4 gig cards choke on hires displays when you run sims on them as well, always had to drop back to one monitor to get value. FWIW ;)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150

    ...all I do is create still images, no simulations or such.  Just looking for a stopgap until I can afford to build the next power workstation (which will most likely be based around the new Pascal GPUs).

    My old GPU is having issues with Daz, often giving me blank "white' (sometimes black) application windows when loading a big scene as well as I'm occasionally seeing a white flicker around the app window borders when loading content, cancelling a render, or saving a scene.

     

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    hee'zz dansin hiz way back to mee  let the music playy
    groove babeyy

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    i d/l the promos for stuff i bought, set up as slide show for windows wall paper.  not recognizing half the stuff lol

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    kyoto kid said:

    ...all I do is create still images, no simulations or such.  Just looking for a stopgap until I can afford to build the next power workstation (which will most likely be based around the new Pascal GPUs).

    My old GPU is having issues with Daz, often giving me blank "white' (sometimes black) application windows when loading a big scene as well as I'm occasionally seeing a white flicker around the app window borders when loading content, cancelling a render, or saving a scene.

     

    Is the 600 watt thing that puts me off I mean I know tdp is much lower  By comparison a hexacore i7 is rated at 85 watts max and around half that tdp. Still blows a lot of hot air on me.

    Forgot to say before fluid dynamic sims - smoke, fire -  precalculated on GPUs is what I'm used to, haven't got much call for architectural type full photometric light renders altho is fascinating to see the tech take off so big :)

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    MistyMist said:

    i d/l the promos for stuff i bought, set up as slide show for windows wall paper.  not recognizing half the stuff lol

    aww slideshow was always the big thing about Windows :)

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    ps1borg said:
    MistyMist said:

    i d/l the promos for stuff i bought, set up as slide show for windows wall paper.  not recognizing half the stuff lol

    aww slideshow was always the big thing about Windows :)

     

    tee hee.  put together a playlist to watch the slideshow  
    -  i neeeed a heeeroh
    total eclipse o the heart

    gianni6 thunder guy

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150
    ps1borg said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...all I do is create still images, no simulations or such.  Just looking for a stopgap until I can afford to build the next power workstation (which will most likely be based around the new Pascal GPUs).

    My old GPU is having issues with Daz, often giving me blank "white' (sometimes black) application windows when loading a big scene as well as I'm occasionally seeing a white flicker around the app window borders when loading content, cancelling a render, or saving a scene.

     

    Is the 600 watt thing that puts me off I mean I know tdp is much lower  By comparison a hexacore i7 is rated at 85 watts max and around half that tdp. Still blows a lot of hot air on me.

    Forgot to say before fluid dynamic sims - smoke, fire -  precalculated on GPUs is what I'm used to, haven't got much call for architectural type full photometric light renders altho is fascinating to see the tech take off so big :)

    ...that's way beyond my needs, I don't even do animation, save for occasional motion blur in 3DL.

    Yeah that "coffee can" enclosure that the new Mac Pro is in looks to be a pretty tight fit for everything inside, My case is huge with a lot of "breathing space inside and a half dozen fans as well as a huge CPU cooler.  I just placed my hand by the different exhaust fans on and teh air coming out is about room temperature right now.  My PSU is 750w and it barely exceeds 25% of that even during a heavy render job.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,605
    edited January 2016

    I've tried animation a few times, with Carrara, and DAZ Studio but it's a LOT of work.  I admire those who stick to it and get good results.

    I spent most of tonight browsing around YouTube looking for performances of less well known classical music pieces.  I get side-tracked at YouTube as much if not more so as  I do in Wikipedia.  Listened to a lot of snatches of things, found a few more that I think I'll start collecting on CD.  I got into a bunch of Glazinov pieces and poked around and re-discovered his 2nd piano concerto.  I can't say the whole thing enthralls me but the first few minutes of the 1st movement are some of my most favorite.  Sends shivers up my spine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNYb21fZLPw and it gets interesting again about 14:00.  And the grand finish starts at about 17:00, marvelous.

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,240
    kyoto kid said:
    DanaTA said:
    kyoto kid said:
    ps1borg said:
    kyoto kid said:
    MistyMist said:

    i'll have to stop wimping out and go to work tomorrow,

    remember the fun of lining up the motherboard with the jumpers?

    ...glad not to have to deal with that anymore.

    had a look into the Titan cards wow rated 250 watt TDP but around the same as the six gig cards so that's maybe a floor? There are 2 D700 GPUs in one of my macs think they are rated more or less the same, iz like a fan heater when they get going :) Also RAM seems cheap again? 

    ...as to memory, yes it does, I can now get the 24 GB,DDR3 1333 Tri channel kit to upgrade my system for only 139$ now (when I originally built my system it was something like 750$).  Great price except for the fact I have to drop another 135$ on an OEM of WIN 7 Pro 64 as I have the Home Edition which only supports up to 16 GB. So still a somewhat pricey option.

    Won't do the "free Windows 10" deal as with the strings attached, it makes "free" not a very good price.

    Also need to think about getting something like one fo those 4 GB GTX740s for now just so I have more Viewport horsepower and can run in IRay view mode without Daz crashing. That's another 115$. Won't be the quickest for GPU rendering as it has about as many cores as my current 1 GB one does.  However without having Iray view mode, it is impossible to set up a scene using an HDRI as I cannot see the surrounding environment.

    You can't do a spot render here and there to know where things are lining up?

    Dana

    ...I still find it difficult to place characters and props without being able to see the full setting.

    I've never tried HDRI's.  Can you put a plane in the scene and put the image on that, then hide it and show it now and then?  Or maybe not a plane, maybe a huge cylinder with the top and bottom cut off and sized to the image.  It's worth a try.

    Dana

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150
    edited January 2016

    ...well without being able to see the HDRI "backdrop" in Open GL mode, I have no idea of how the dome is oriented with respect to the scene. Basically what I have to do after I load an HDRI is run a test render, to see where the light and shadows fall (often to find most of the characters and props are in complete shadow). It then becomes a guessing game of how much dome rotation to use, often necessitating a number of test renders (I don't wait until they are finished, just until a render is clean enough so I can see what is happening, even though it still can be a tedious and time consuming process). 

    In 3DL with a skydome, I can see the positioning in open GL mode and rotate the dome properly to correspond with the distant light I am using for the sun before even clicking "render".

    I figure 4 GB would be sufficient to at least be able to work in Iray view mode even though it might not be enough memory to fully render the scene on teh GPU. Also for an interim soolution, a GTX740 doesn't cost me a small fortune (actually less than than half the price I paid for the 460 I currently have).

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,240
    ps1borg said:

    Cool!  It will be interesting to see the results of the search. It would be great to see it proven.

    Dana

     

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    kyoto kid said:
    ps1borg said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...all I do is create still images, no simulations or such.  Just looking for a stopgap until I can afford to build the next power workstation (which will most likely be based around the new Pascal GPUs).

    My old GPU is having issues with Daz, often giving me blank "white' (sometimes black) application windows when loading a big scene as well as I'm occasionally seeing a white flicker around the app window borders when loading content, cancelling a render, or saving a scene.

     

    Is the 600 watt thing that puts me off I mean I know tdp is much lower  By comparison a hexacore i7 is rated at 85 watts max and around half that tdp. Still blows a lot of hot air on me.

    Forgot to say before fluid dynamic sims - smoke, fire -  precalculated on GPUs is what I'm used to, haven't got much call for architectural type full photometric light renders altho is fascinating to see the tech take off so big :)

    ...that's way beyond my needs, I don't even do animation, save for occasional motion blur in 3DL.

    Yeah that "coffee can" enclosure that the new Mac Pro is in looks to be a pretty tight fit for everything inside, My case is huge with a lot of "breathing space inside and a half dozen fans as well as a huge CPU cooler.  I just placed my hand by the different exhaust fans on and teh air coming out is about room temperature right now.  My PSU is 750w and it barely exceeds 25% of that even during a heavy render job.

    Is holllow in the middle where the heat gets vented, whatever they did it is real quiet but it is like sitting in front of a fan heater sometimes. What would be cool is a case with some cooling fins on the outside instead of inside, big yellow and orange ones would be a conversation starter and maybe bleed off heat less forcefully XD  I noticed there are a lot of cases with transparent panels like windows on a construction site :)

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    edited January 2016

    I've tried animation a few times, with Carrara, and DAZ Studio but it's a LOT of work.  I admire those who stick to it and get good results.

    I spent most of tonight browsing around YouTube looking for performances of less well known classical music pieces.  I get side-tracked at YouTube as much if not more so as  I do in Wikipedia.  Listened to a lot of snatches of things, found a few more that I think I'll start collecting on CD.  I got into a bunch of Glazinov pieces and poked around and re-discovered his 2nd piano concerto.  I can't say the whole thing enthralls me but the first few minutes of the 1st movement are some of my most favorite.  Sends shivers up my spine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNYb21fZLPw and it gets interesting again about 14:00.  And the grand finish starts at about 17:00, marvelous.

    Hey thanks for that, is on the studio monitors now and wow it is real fresh and retro sentimental all at once :)

     

    eta oscar mike golf the BBC guy at the end gave me a fright !

    Post edited by ps1borg on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150
    ps1borg said:
    kyoto kid said:
    ps1borg said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...all I do is create still images, no simulations or such.  Just looking for a stopgap until I can afford to build the next power workstation (which will most likely be based around the new Pascal GPUs).

    My old GPU is having issues with Daz, often giving me blank "white' (sometimes black) application windows when loading a big scene as well as I'm occasionally seeing a white flicker around the app window borders when loading content, cancelling a render, or saving a scene.

     

    Is the 600 watt thing that puts me off I mean I know tdp is much lower  By comparison a hexacore i7 is rated at 85 watts max and around half that tdp. Still blows a lot of hot air on me.

    Forgot to say before fluid dynamic sims - smoke, fire -  precalculated on GPUs is what I'm used to, haven't got much call for architectural type full photometric light renders altho is fascinating to see the tech take off so big :)

    ...that's way beyond my needs, I don't even do animation, save for occasional motion blur in 3DL.

    Yeah that "coffee can" enclosure that the new Mac Pro is in looks to be a pretty tight fit for everything inside, My case is huge with a lot of "breathing space inside and a half dozen fans as well as a huge CPU cooler.  I just placed my hand by the different exhaust fans on and teh air coming out is about room temperature right now.  My PSU is 750w and it barely exceeds 25% of that even during a heavy render job.

    Is holllow in the middle where the heat gets vented, whatever they did it is real quiet but it is like sitting in front of a fan heater sometimes. What would be cool is a case with some cooling fins on the outside instead of inside, big yellow and orange ones would be a conversation starter and maybe bleed off heat less forcefully XD  I noticed there are a lot of cases with transparent panels like windows on a construction site :)

    ...yeah don't really care for those. Seems to be a "gamer thing" to have the guts visible and all lit up.  I'd rather have a big 200mm fan on that panel instead (which incidentally, my case does have), as that is where the GPU slots are.

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776
    kyoto kid said:
    ps1borg said:
    kyoto kid said:
    ps1borg said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...all I do is create still images, no simulations or such.  Just looking for a stopgap until I can afford to build the next power workstation (which will most likely be based around the new Pascal GPUs).

    My old GPU is having issues with Daz, often giving me blank "white' (sometimes black) application windows when loading a big scene as well as I'm occasionally seeing a white flicker around the app window borders when loading content, cancelling a render, or saving a scene.

     

    Is the 600 watt thing that puts me off I mean I know tdp is much lower  By comparison a hexacore i7 is rated at 85 watts max and around half that tdp. Still blows a lot of hot air on me.

    Forgot to say before fluid dynamic sims - smoke, fire -  precalculated on GPUs is what I'm used to, haven't got much call for architectural type full photometric light renders altho is fascinating to see the tech take off so big :)

    ...that's way beyond my needs, I don't even do animation, save for occasional motion blur in 3DL.

    Yeah that "coffee can" enclosure that the new Mac Pro is in looks to be a pretty tight fit for everything inside, My case is huge with a lot of "breathing space inside and a half dozen fans as well as a huge CPU cooler.  I just placed my hand by the different exhaust fans on and teh air coming out is about room temperature right now.  My PSU is 750w and it barely exceeds 25% of that even during a heavy render job.

    Is holllow in the middle where the heat gets vented, whatever they did it is real quiet but it is like sitting in front of a fan heater sometimes. What would be cool is a case with some cooling fins on the outside instead of inside, big yellow and orange ones would be a conversation starter and maybe bleed off heat less forcefully XD  I noticed there are a lot of cases with transparent panels like windows on a construction site :)

    ...yeah don't really care for those. Seems to be a "gamer thing" to have the guts visible and all lit up.  I'd rather have a big 200mm fan on that panel instead (which incidentally, my case does have), as that is where the GPU slots are.

    uuuuuh yes of course it would be, didn't think of that - I'm thinking well there must be some good reasonfor that but noooo -  and I guess also which is why most GPUs come in boxes with NVIATWASs printed in glorious full colour on them, which can be blushworthy in polite company sometimes :)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150

    ...funny that a lot of gamers I know think I'm wasting my system on just creating pretty pictures. The feeling's sort of mutual I guess, as I could not fathom spending thousands on hardware and upgrades just to play games.

    To each their own I guess.

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776

    There is a great little videogame/action movie crossover based on a novel All You Need Is Kill with Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt called Edge Of Tomorrow where I thought the gamerr thing made a neat contribution and is not a real bad action movie either so I guess there is room for the different worlds to if not buddy up at least make a bit of eye contact :)

  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776

    ...

    DanaTA said:
    ps1borg said:

    Cool!  It will be interesting to see the results of the search. It would be great to see it proven.

    Dana

     

    I was really cut when Pluto got the axe, didn't realize I had that much emotional investment in a big lump of ice laugh But the new entries in the table of elements - ununpentium yay! -  kinda made up for it a bit and wow now a new planet how good is that ! surprise Guess I'm fickle blush

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,150
    edited January 2016
    ps1borg said:

    There is a great little videogame/action movie crossover based on a novel All You Need Is Kill with Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt called Edge Of Tomorrow where I thought the gamerr thing made a neat contribution and is not a real bad action movie either so I guess there is room for the different worlds to if not buddy up at least make a bit of eye contact :)

    ...we also had films based off of games like Mortal Kombat (including a couple sequels), Tomb Raider, and Final Fantasy, as well as ones where video/computer games were part of the plot like War Games, Last Starfighter, and of course the 80s classic, Tron, so the marriage of gaming and film has been around a while.

    ...gah I dislike this spell checker, keep having to go back into edit mode way too often.

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