Daz Studio 5 development update

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  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,172

    wsterdan said:

    Yes, these are example images of glass, atmosphere and interior lighting, there's others, including skins, fire and others, not to mention conversion scripts.

    If soemone's not dead-set on iRay photorealism, I think they could make some very decent images or animations, with minimal render times without requiring an Nvidia card. let alone a high-end one.It's a different rendering engine, one with very low hardware requirements.

    I've been holding off doing too much Filament testing until the Mac version is avaialble, but looking at the images has me thinking about using the Windows version to see what I might be able to do.

    -- Watl Sterdan

    That is why I have hoped for Filament on the MacBook Pro M1, as well as my Window computers. Especially since my 2012 iMac is limping to its death. I hope to replace it with a iMac M2 when they are released.

    Filament is a valid form of art, just as 3Delight, Iray, or Octane, or taking your base image into Photoshop or AI, whatever. You have a vision and want to create it. It is a tool to express yourself. And I love being able to use it during the creation process.

  • davlo88davlo88 Posts: 11

    so what's happening with daz 5? havent seen anythng about it for quite a while.

  • davlo88 said:

    so what's happening with daz 5? havent seen anythng about it for quite a while.

    Nothing has been said, but the forum team has been told various times (in notes on forum posts that we are meant to share) that certain things are going to have to wait on the next major release, so it obviously is still on the plans.

  • robertswwwrobertswww Posts: 790
    edited February 2023

    I was in the Advanced Settings (gear menu) of the newly updated Daz Install Manager (DIM) version 1.4.1.19 and under the Downloads tab, there is now an entry for DAZ Studio 5.  I hope that is an indicator that the release is right around the corner! 

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  • robertswww said:

    I was in the Advanced Settings (gear menu) of the newly updated Daz Install Manager (DIM) version 1.4.1.19 and under the Downloads tab, there is now an entry for DAZ Studio 5.  I hope that is an indicator that the release is right around the corner! 

    that's been in DIM for almost a year now.

  • Blood-PawWerewolf said:

    that's been in DIM for almost a year now.

    I guess that shows how often I visit the Downloads tab... still a new surprise for me :)

  • Blood-PawWerewolf said:

    robertswww said:

    I was in the Advanced Settings (gear menu) of the newly updated Daz Install Manager (DIM) version 1.4.1.19 and under the Downloads tab, there is now an entry for DAZ Studio 5.  I hope that is an indicator that the release is right around the corner! 

    that's been in DIM for almost a year now.

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/install_manager/change_log_1_4_0_80#1_4_0_80

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,142

    I think DIM being released in QT 5 (or is that QT 6 now) is a big sign that DS 5 is also much nearer to release. 

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,052

    DAZ sooner or later. I'm just hoping it wont require buying or upgrading tons of program helper apps we have purchased over time.  

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,359
    edited April 2023

    daveso said:

    DAZ sooner or later. I'm just hoping it wont require buying or upgrading tons of program helper apps we have purchased over time.  

    I expect a lot of older plugins and scripts will be left on DS4. They won't be upgraded for various reasons and won't run on DS5.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 101,238

    Torquinox said:

    daveso said:

    DAZ sooner or later. I'm just hoping it wont require buying or upgrading tons of program helper apps we have purchased over time.  

    I expect a lot of older plugins and scripts will be left on DS4. They won't be upgraded for various reasons and won't run on DS5.

    We were told that DS 4 would still be available, so we should be able to use the plug-ins etc. theer (and potentially then open the result in DS 5, depending on whether the plug-in needs to be live or bakes output that can be used in its absence).

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,359

    Thanks Richard. I recall hearing that, too.

  • is there any update on DS5 release date or is it still "sometime between now and the thermal death of the universe" ?

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,458

    narkfestmojo said:

    is there any update on DS5 release date or is it still "sometime between now and the thermal death of the universe" ?

    You got it 

  • alexhcowleyalexhcowley Posts: 2,387

    Robert Freise said:

    narkfestmojo said:

    is there any update on DS5 release date or is it still "sometime between now and the thermal death of the universe" ?

    You got it 

    The last formal update from DAZ was late last year when they made a vague promise that it would be out sometime this year. 

    Cheers,

    Alex. 

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 1,792

    I've heard people saying Linux is a viable system for decades. It's not really going anywhere. Linux will never overtake Windows or Macs. And DAZ should never consider a Linux version of DAZ Studio.

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,458
    edited April 2023

    Ron Knights said:

    I've heard people saying Linux is a viable system for decades. It's not really going anywhere. Linux will never overtake Windows or Macs. And DAZ should never consider a Linux version of DAZ Studio.

    https://truelist.co/blog/linux-statistics/

    The only reason I have any Windows machines is to run the four or five programs that are stuck in the dark ages

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  • Ron Knights said:

    I've heard people saying Linux is a viable system for decades. It's not really going anywhere. Linux will never overtake Windows or Macs. And DAZ should never consider a Linux version of DAZ Studio.

    The only valid reason for not supporting linux is if it's impossible or too economically prohibitive to do so, which I very much doubt; they certainly should not ignore Linux simply because "It's not really going anywhere" in your opinion, which is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.

  • TheMysteryIsThePointTheMysteryIsThePoint Posts: 2,957
    edited April 2023

    Ron Knights said:

    If you've never used a Linux desktop, or haven't in the last 20 or so years, you should probably not expect your opinion to jibe with reality. I'll explain all the ways where you are simply wrong.

    I've heard people saying Linux is a viable system for decades.

    It is a viable system. It has been for decades. If you had actually used it, you would know. I use a computer for almost all of my waking hours and the only remaining reasons why I have a Windows computer at all is to run DAZ Studio and Marvelous Designer. Before that, I didn't have a Windows computer at all.

    It's not really going anywhere.

    This is laughable. It's the most popular OS in the world, everywhere else except the desktop. I bet you are within a few feet of something running Linux right now.

    Linux will never overtake Windows or Macs.

    That's not really a measure. If it were, there probably shouldn't be a Mac version, either.

    And DAZ should never consider a Linux version of DAZ Studio.

    Everything else I use or have used: Blender, UE5, Houdini, Maya, Motion Builder, R3DS, Cascadeur, Audacity, GIMP, Davinci Resolve, Ardour, Armor Paint, Quixel Bridge, *ALL* are either native to Linux or have Linux versions. I don't know why only DAZ Studio should never have a Linux version. We might instead ask why DAZ can't make a cross platform app when everyone else seems to manage just fine, especially when Qt is famous for making exactly that: cross platform apps with literally just a re-compile. That's literally Qt's claim to fame: Windows, Macs and Linux from a single codebase.

    So, with no offense intended, you've spread a lot of inaccuracies with everything you've said.

    Post edited by TheMysteryIsThePoint on
  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,091

    On top of all that, it makes no sense to me to argue that something SHOULDN'T exist. You see this on the forums all the time, people complaining that a thing exists or is plentiful when the thing they want isn't, so the thing they don't want shouldn't exist. I don't use skimpwear much, and I definitely lean more towards plausible fantasy, so I'd like it if there were more outfits like that in the store, but that doesn't mean there should be any less fantasy skimpwear.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,169

    If Daz Studio had a Linux version, I would no longer have to have Windows on my computer. I could finally leave it behind forever. LOL There would still be the Affinity apps, but I could always go GIMP. Literally everything else I use has a Linux version.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    AllenArt said:

    If Daz Studio had a Linux version, I would no longer have to have Windows on my computer. I could finally leave it behind forever. LOL There would still be the Affinity apps, but I could always go GIMP. Literally everything else I use has a Linux version.

    Same here, especially after Nvidia stopped updating GPU drivers for W7.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,142

    Linux is great, as is FreeBSD. Linux is better for Windows / MacOS users. FreeBSD is more nostaligic for me now practically speaking, but with a bit of work I can set it up to do every non-commercial software that Linux does.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 101,238

    The decision of whether or not to produce a Linux version of Daz Studio (and the isntallers) is down to Daz, there is nothing wrong with asking and it isn't an issue that needs to spark OS wars.

  • nonesuch00 said:

    Linux is great, as is FreeBSD. Linux is better for Windows / MacOS users. FreeBSD is more nostaligic for me now practically speaking, but with a bit of work I can set it up to do every non-commercial software that Linux does.

    Yes, FreeBSD does give that impression, but it is actually because (Free/Open/Net)BSD development is much more formal than is Linux. FreeBSD is used in more mission critical systems that need a higher level of testing, traceability and process. Linux is much faster, looser, more concerned with having cutting edge features, and the process is pretty much the process owner pulling code, testing it, and saying "yes" or "no".

    If you're running a billion dollar website, you want OpenBSD. For an every-day use box, you want Linux.

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,142

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    nonesuch00 said:

    Linux is great, as is FreeBSD. Linux is better for Windows / MacOS users. FreeBSD is more nostaligic for me now practically speaking, but with a bit of work I can set it up to do every non-commercial software that Linux does.

    Yes, FreeBSD does give that impression, but it is actually because (Free/Open/Net)BSD development is much more formal than is Linux. FreeBSD is used in more mission critical systems that need a higher level of testing, traceability and process. Linux is much faster, looser, more concerned with having cutting edge features, and the process is pretty much the process owner pulling code, testing it, and saying "yes" or "no".

    If you're running a billion dollar website, you want OpenBSD. For an every-day use box, you want Linux.

     

    I've heard of, but not used OpenBSD and NetBSD, It reminds me of a fellow I know that bought BSDi when it first came out and it was expensive I remember at over a $1000 over 30 years ago. BSDI was the 1st commericial BSD based UNIX-type OS for the masses. BSDi was available to buy even before those aplha 0.93 BSD/FreeBSD CDs available in those non-gaming oriented software shops in some big cities. 

    Speaking of openBSD security maybe I should use OpenBSD on a miniPC as an WiFi access point firewall/router? Alternatively, I've already been talking to reps at Cisco and will be buying some hardware from them this year. My computers and iphone has been broke into multiple times. one would expect the hackers to grow bored with the same old, same old, but whatever, they keep coming back and I keep kicking them out.

    The last monitoring alternative is something I'm going to investigate writing or more exactly, modifying existing code to handle for me and that is to take a traditional GNU UNIX utility like tripwire and modify it for Windows 11 so that I could have it report on directory trees, eg, all my DAZ Installer files and Content Library locations, when they are accessed, copied, or moved, especially such that they are moved over network connections and to close network connections that it catches moving those directory trees I configure this bespoke "Windows Tripwire" to monitor. Sort of like a reverse anti-viral utility but watching files on their way out instead of on the way in. It seems to me, I should also route all my network traffic just before it leaves via the WAN modem with a read-only protocol analyzer I've programmed to watch for outgoing traffic containing elements contained in those trip-wire directory trees as a last line of read-only theft defense. Of course, they could disguise data with encryption and such (and there are compute intensive ways I could hinder that in advance) if they broke in, but I don't want to spend all that time playing cat & mouse bespoke programming games with security that should be standard and iron clad without subscription for every consumer grade computing/communications device issued or sold. From an perspective of econmic and security efficiency, if the sw/hw issued by the corporations with their huge budgets and manpower isn't sufficently secure, then the biggest time and money saver from my perspective is ultimately the decision I made to keep all DAZ content on external USB SSD storage and only use DAZ on an offline computer it the only 100% surefire what of stopping them so that's what I'll do.

    Is there an existing open source modification already in existance for Windows of tripwire? And also upload network traffic monitoring and evaluation? 

  • TheMysteryIsThePointTheMysteryIsThePoint Posts: 2,957
    edited April 2023

    nonesuch00 said:

    I've heard of, but not used OpenBSD and NetBSD, It reminds me of a fellow I know that bought BSDi when it first came out and it was expensive I remember at over a $1000 over 30 years ago. BSDI was the 1st commericial BSD based UNIX-type OS for the masses. BSDi was available to buy even before those aplha 0.93 BSD/FreeBSD CDs available in those non-gaming oriented software shops in some big cities. 

    Interesting... I had never heard of that one. I kind of went from HP/UX and IRIX straight to Linux, never having tried *BSD nore even DragonFly, despite the cute mascot and the cheap CDs at the kind of places you mentioned. For me it was Op Amp Books on the West Side of LA. God, what happy memories of going there just about every weekend with my dad.

     

    Speaking of openBSD security maybe I should use OpenBSD on a miniPC as an WiFi access point firewall/router? Alternatively, I've already been talking to reps at Cisco and will be buying some hardware from them this year. My computers and iphone has been broke into multiple times. one would expect the hackers to grow bored with the same old, same old, but whatever, they keep coming back and I keep kicking them out.

    Ha ha, I think everyone has that same impulse :) But the challenge you're going to face is finding a network chipset that BSD supports. As Linux users we are spoiled by the massive amount of hardware that Linux supports out-of-the-box. BSD is still like Linux used to be before that kernel maintainer guy (whose name I shamefully can't remember) made an open pledge to any hardware manufacturers that if they gave him a unit and opened the specs for it, he would write the driver and put in into the tree to be maintained by the kernel team. And think about it: besides NVidia, when was the last time you had to actually install a manufacturer's driver? I can't remember... for me, at least 10 years.

    But I would think a well-patched Linux system running a minimum of services and SSH with certs instead of passwords, on a port other than 22 should be enough to discourage the script kiddies, or anyone other than state sponsored hackers.

    The last monitoring alternative is something I'm going to investigate writing or more exactly, modifying existing code to handle for me and that is to take a traditional GNU UNIX utility like tripwire and modify it for Windows 11 so that I could have it report on directory trees, eg, all my DAZ Installer files and Content Library locations, when they are accessed, copied, or moved, especially such that they are moved over network connections and to close network connections that it catches moving those directory trees I configure this bespoke "Windows Tripwire" to monitor. Sort of like a reverse anti-viral utility but watching files on their way out instead of on the way in. It seems to me, I should also route all my network traffic just before it leaves via the WAN modem with a read-only protocol analyzer I've programmed to watch for outgoing traffic containing elements contained in those trip-wire directory trees as a last line of read-only theft defense. Of course, they could disguise data with encryption and such (and there are compute intensive ways I could hinder that in advance) if they broke in, but I don't want to spend all that time playing cat & mouse bespoke programming games with security that should be standard and iron clad without subscription for every consumer grade computing/communications device issued or sold. From an perspective of econmic and security efficiency, if the sw/hw issued by the corporations with their huge budgets and manpower isn't sufficently secure, then the biggest time and money saver from my perspective is ultimately the decision I made to keep all DAZ content on external USB SSD storage and only use DAZ on an offline computer it the only 100% surefire what of stopping them so that's what I'll do.

    Is there an existing open source modification already in existance for Windows of tripwire? And also upload network traffic monitoring and evaluation? 

    Yes, there is, but any time you read the word "Enterprise" it means it is ungodly expensive :)

    Post edited by TheMysteryIsThePoint on
  • SnowSnow Posts: 95

    You guys talk about Linux and other OS yet there isn't a proper Mac version yet.

    My renders average around 5 hours and that's fast and still requires speckles removal and noise reduction. When using transform tools the viewport jumps wildly from one spot to antother to the point where you lose your framed subject. This might be due to DAZ and/or Wacom pen/tablet but the issue is there and extremely annoying. dForce takes ages so while I feel there is no realism (most of the time) without it I never look forward using it. The interface in Mac does not support retina while I think Windows has better support so the interface for Mac looks like I never upgraded my monitor (4k). Oh and the viewport updates also take ages so it's a constant waiting game to use DAZ on Mac. I can still manage otherwise I would have quit using DAZ a long time ago but you guys have no idea how lucky your are with Windows.

    So before jumping on Linux rather request a proper Mac version. If you are so fond of Linux then Mac should also be on your wishlist. Obviously Linux would run on your Windows hardware so you won't have to upgrade. A bit selfish though to not care about the Mac users first no? DAZ is be the only reason I would have to use Windows because Blender now has proper support for MacOS and AMD GPU and those are the only 3D apps I currently use. Mac/AMD will never achieve the speed of Windows/Nvidia so we are scrwd anyway but please at least give us proper metal support like Blender does with Cycles.

    End of rant... please continue requesting Linux... 

  • I am a very amateur programmer, starting with C++ Builder 1 many, many years ago. The current version of the C++ Builder compiler (of which I'm trying to get used to the latest free 'Community Edition') allows you to select the target OS for the compiled version with a single combo-box. IIRC that combo-box has Android, Win32, Win64, and MacOS as options in the freebie version. I imagine the number of Target OS's is increased for the paid versions. Never having wanted to aim a program at anything other than Windows, I've never tried those other options, so I don't know if it really is as simple as it seems to target a program at a Mac. However, I do know the programmers at DAZ are vastly more capable than I am, so even if it isn't that simple, I'm sure it's possible to have a single code base to cover a number of operating systems with enough compiler conditionals put into the code. I would be surprised if Linux isn't an option for the paid compilers.

    However, one thing I do know is that porting code from the Win-only VCL Library to the pan-OS Firemonkey library functions within C++ Builder is a major task, even with programs of as little as 60k lines of code. So, taking code from outside C++Builder and taking advantage of the Firemonkey i/o and screen library would be a serious undertaking.

    Regards,

    Richard.

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,142
    edited April 2023

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    nonesuch00 said:

    I've heard of, but not used OpenBSD and NetBSD, It reminds me of a fellow I know that bought BSDi when it first came out and it was expensive I remember at over a $1000 over 30 years ago. BSDI was the 1st commericial BSD based UNIX-type OS for the masses. BSDi was available to buy even before those aplha 0.93 BSD/FreeBSD CDs available in those non-gaming oriented software shops in some big cities. 

    Interesting... I had never heard of that one. I kind of went from HP/UX and IRIX straight to Linux, never having tried *BSD nore even DragonFly, despite the cute mascot and the cheap CDs at the kind of places you mentioned. For me it was Op Amp Books on the West Side of LA. God, what happy memories of going there just about every weekend with my dad.

     

    Speaking of openBSD security maybe I should use OpenBSD on a miniPC as an WiFi access point firewall/router? Alternatively, I've already been talking to reps at Cisco and will be buying some hardware from them this year. My computers and iphone has been broke into multiple times. one would expect the hackers to grow bored with the same old, same old, but whatever, they keep coming back and I keep kicking them out.

    Ha ha, I think everyone has that same impulse :) But the challenge you're going to face is finding a network chipset that BSD supports. As Linux users we are spoiled by the massive amount of hardware that Linux supports out-of-the-box. BSD is still like Linux used to be before that kernel maintainer guy (whose name I shamefully can't remember) made an open pledge to any hardware manufacturers that if they gave him a unit and opened the specs for it, he would write the driver and put in into the tree to be maintained by the kernel team. And think about it: besides NVidia, when was the last time you had to actually install a manufacturer's driver? I can't remember... for me, at least 10 years.

    But I would think a well-patched Linux system running a minimum of services and SSH with certs instead of passwords, on a port other than 22 should be enough to discourage the script kiddies, or anyone other than state sponsored hackers.

    The last monitoring alternative is something I'm going to investigate writing or more exactly, modifying existing code to handle for me and that is to take a traditional GNU UNIX utility like tripwire and modify it for Windows 11 so that I could have it report on directory trees, eg, all my DAZ Installer files and Content Library locations, when they are accessed, copied, or moved, especially such that they are moved over network connections and to close network connections that it catches moving those directory trees I configure this bespoke "Windows Tripwire" to monitor. Sort of like a reverse anti-viral utility but watching files on their way out instead of on the way in. It seems to me, I should also route all my network traffic just before it leaves via the WAN modem with a read-only protocol analyzer I've programmed to watch for outgoing traffic containing elements contained in those trip-wire directory trees as a last line of read-only theft defense. Of course, they could disguise data with encryption and such (and there are compute intensive ways I could hinder that in advance) if they broke in, but I don't want to spend all that time playing cat & mouse bespoke programming games with security that should be standard and iron clad without subscription for every consumer grade computing/communications device issued or sold. From an perspective of econmic and security efficiency, if the sw/hw issued by the corporations with their huge budgets and manpower isn't sufficently secure, then the biggest time and money saver from my perspective is ultimately the decision I made to keep all DAZ content on external USB SSD storage and only use DAZ on an offline computer it the only 100% surefire what of stopping them so that's what I'll do.

    Is there an existing open source modification already in existance for Windows of tripwire? And also upload network traffic monitoring and evaluation? 

    Yes, there is, but any time you read the word "Enterprise" it means it is ungodly expensive :)

    Yes, I checked with another of their vars, and he said the best solution for me was all sold out but they had another solution that was $750 for the HW and another $270 for the yearly license fee. The stuff he said on backorder and is sold out of -- those are at least a 6 month backorder wait time. Those backorder things though are being scalped on Amazon and the (Cisco) cheapest solution is like $350 for the firewall router, $180 for the Wifi 6 access point, and over $100 for the yearly monitoring update license (must be bought from a var not amazon), I'm going with that even though I've moved all the DAZ installer valuables / content libraries offline and will keep them there.

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