Get Your Encrypted Daz Connect Content Here Thread - none at the moment 2018-01-30

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  • RobotHeadArtRobotHeadArt Posts: 917
    tl155180 said:

    I think everyone is missing the point I was making. I understand the ins and outs - what I'm saying is that the original reason for encrypted content was to reduce piracy, but if they're continuing to offer all 3 download methods on almost all products (meaning its unencrypted content) then they aren't achieving their stated goal. I'm wondering why this isn't moving along faster - why isn't every new product becoming encrypted content if it was such a great idea?

    I probably worded my previous post poorly.

    Because the backlash would be too great so instead they are boiling frogs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#As_metaphor

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,302
    tl155180 said:

    I think everyone is missing the point I was making. I understand the ins and outs - what I'm saying is that the original reason for encrypted content was to reduce piracy, but if they're continuing to offer all 3 download methods on almost all products (meaning its unencrypted content) then they aren't achieving their stated goal. I'm wondering why this isn't moving along faster - why isn't every new product becoming encrypted content if it was such a great idea?

    I probably worded my previous post poorly.

    I understand now. I've wondered the same thing.

  • tl155180 said:

    I think everyone is missing the point I was making. I understand the ins and outs - what I'm saying is that the original reason for encrypted content was to reduce piracy, but if they're continuing to offer all 3 download methods on almost all products (meaning its unencrypted content) then they aren't achieving their stated goal. I'm wondering why this isn't moving along faster - why isn't every new product becoming encrypted content if it was such a great idea?

    I probably worded my previous post poorly.

    Because the backlash would be too great so instead they are boiling frogs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#As_metaphor

    That might have been their intention, but at least some of the frogs are aware of the trick and aren't jumping in the pot. ;)

  • tl155180tl155180 Posts: 994
    edited July 2016
    tl155180 said:

    I think everyone is missing the point I was making. I understand the ins and outs - what I'm saying is that the original reason for encrypted content was to reduce piracy, but if they're continuing to offer all 3 download methods on almost all products (meaning its unencrypted content) then they aren't achieving their stated goal. I'm wondering why this isn't moving along faster - why isn't every new product becoming encrypted content if it was such a great idea?

    I probably worded my previous post poorly.

    Because the backlash would be too great so instead they are boiling frogs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#As_metaphor

    It makes me wonder if they now know it was a bad idea, but they're trying to save face by not backing down on it completely. They are rolling it out sooo painfully slowly and minimally that they might as well not be doing it at all. Think of all the pirates who are currently winning while Daz twiddle their thumbs ;) They don't seem to have much confidence in their plans.

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  • AlienRendersAlienRenders Posts: 793

    Drako is encrypted? That's too bad. I rarely buy male figures and just as I was going to insta-buy, I decided to double check. Ah well. More money in my pocket. Glad I didn't get Kenji now if the HD stuff is out of reach. That's something else I'll have to keep in mind for the future. If HD addons aren't available, I may wait a while until the HD stuff is released before I make a purchase decision.

     

     

     

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943
    tl155180 said:

    I think everyone is missing the point I was making. I understand the ins and outs - what I'm saying is that the original reason for encrypted content was to reduce piracy, but if they're continuing to offer all 3 download methods on almost all products (meaning its unencrypted content) then they aren't achieving their stated goal. I'm wondering why this isn't moving along faster - why isn't every new product becoming encrypted content if it was such a great idea?

    I probably worded my previous post poorly.

    Because the backlash would be too great so instead they are boiling frogs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#As_metaphor

    Thank you for the Wiki link - I learned a new expression: "Creeping normality" - yes, Connect only encrypted content is creepy ... ;o)

  • argel1200argel1200 Posts: 759

    There were other factors too, like adding the Install pane to DAZ Studio (bascially, tweaking the DAZ Connect user interface a bit) that may have delayed them. And I have a hard time believing that the RDNA aquisition did not cause a big delay in plans. So what wqe are seeing now could have been what we were supposed to be seeing a few months ago.  Though I agree with the creeping normality theory as well. We may just not be seeing it as soon as expected.

     

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    tl155180 said:

    I think everyone is missing the point I was making. I understand the ins and outs - what I'm saying is that the original reason for encrypted content was to reduce piracy, but if they're continuing to offer all 3 download methods on almost all products (meaning its unencrypted content) then they aren't achieving their stated goal. I'm wondering why this isn't moving along faster - why isn't every new product becoming encrypted content if it was such a great idea?

    I probably worded my previous post poorly.

    Because the backlash would be too great so instead they are boiling frogs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#As_metaphor

    This frog knows a pan, be it with hot or cold water in said pan.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited July 2016
    tl155180 said:
    tl155180 said:

    I think everyone is missing the point I was making. I understand the ins and outs - what I'm saying is that the original reason for encrypted content was to reduce piracy, but if they're continuing to offer all 3 download methods on almost all products (meaning its unencrypted content) then they aren't achieving their stated goal. I'm wondering why this isn't moving along faster - why isn't every new product becoming encrypted content if it was such a great idea?

    I probably worded my previous post poorly.

    Because the backlash would be too great so instead they are boiling frogs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#As_metaphor

    It makes me wonder if they now know it was a bad idea, but they're trying to save face by not backing down on it completely. They are rolling it out sooo painfully slowly and minimally that they might as well not be doing it at all. Think of all the pirates who are currently winning while Daz twiddle their thumbs ;) They don't seem to have much confidence in their plans.

    They're releasing items with DRM protection, and without; surely that is something of use to said pirates.

    But Daz, I understand, are hoping they are sufficiently niche to not attract the attention.

    Whatever the outcome; they must surely have had a net loss from the process so far; no pirates will have bought any items (a guess); and a number are not buying, returning or have even stopped using Daz altogether if previous posts are an indication. I know I am buying less, as I've stated previously in other threads, and possible this one too.

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

     

    argel1200 said:

    There were other factors too, like adding the Install pane to DAZ Studio (bascially, tweaking the DAZ Connect user interface a bit) that may have delayed them. And I have a hard time believing that the RDNA aquisition did not cause a big delay in plans. So what wqe are seeing now could have been what we were supposed to be seeing a few months ago.  Though I agree with the creeping normality theory as well. We may just not be seeing it as soon as expected.

     


    But Connect does NOT need DRM to work.

    Just like encryption is not DRM; DRM, however, needs encryption.

    To call the DRM system Daz introduced by something other than DRM, has the possibility of confusing customers. I for one, don't like being misled, even when it's a mistake.

  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    nicstt said:

     

    argel1200 said:

    There were other factors too, like adding the Install pane to DAZ Studio (bascially, tweaking the DAZ Connect user interface a bit) that may have delayed them. And I have a hard time believing that the RDNA aquisition did not cause a big delay in plans. So what wqe are seeing now could have been what we were supposed to be seeing a few months ago.  Though I agree with the creeping normality theory as well. We may just not be seeing it as soon as expected.

     


    But Connect does NOT need DRM to work.

    Just like encryption is not DRM; DRM, however, needs encryption.

    To call the DRM system Daz introduced by something other than DRM, has the possibility of confusing customers. I for one, don't like being misled, even when it's a mistake.

    Not properly labelling your content when asked has the potential to confuse customers - just look at all the comments by people who put things in their cart only to notice later every time an encrypted item is released. Suddenly ending one of many concurrent sales has the potential to confuse customers ... the new double row What's Hot list confuses the hell out of me - I don't even know how I'm meant to rank things on it. 

    It was stated when 4.9 was unveiled that it was all about removing customer confusion and to a lesser extent delaying piracy. We said that it was badly designed and a terrible idea. Several patches of bandaid fixes to Connect later, is everything simple and easy and are all the pirates buying here now? I sure hope so, because I'm too confused to tell anymore.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited July 2016
    lx said:
    nicstt said:

     

    argel1200 said:

    There were other factors too, like adding the Install pane to DAZ Studio (bascially, tweaking the DAZ Connect user interface a bit) that may have delayed them. And I have a hard time believing that the RDNA aquisition did not cause a big delay in plans. So what wqe are seeing now could have been what we were supposed to be seeing a few months ago.  Though I agree with the creeping normality theory as well. We may just not be seeing it as soon as expected.

     


    But Connect does NOT need DRM to work.

    Just like encryption is not DRM; DRM, however, needs encryption.

    To call the DRM system Daz introduced by something other than DRM, has the possibility of confusing customers. I for one, don't like being misled, even when it's a mistake.

    Not properly labelling your content when asked has the potential to confuse customers - just look at all the comments by people who put things in their cart only to notice later every time an encrypted item is released. Suddenly ending one of many concurrent sales has the potential to confuse customers ... the new double row What's Hot list confuses the hell out of me - I don't even know how I'm meant to rank things on it. 

    It was stated when 4.9 was unveiled that it was all about removing customer confusion and to a lesser extent delaying piracy. We said that it was badly designed and a terrible idea. Several patches of bandaid fixes to Connect later, is everything simple and easy and are all the pirates buying here now? I sure hope so, because I'm too confused to tell anymore.

    Well, I'm more confused: I have to pay attention to the DRM products; after thinking they had gone away, they're here (to quote Poltergeist), or at least back. I'm less confused, because a product so labelled, is an easy decission on purchasing: I don't.

    Personally, it seems to have increased confusion, and to cause problems for those who have moved to Windows 10.

    I hope Daz scraps it; being able to return to my happy click, click buy, would cost me more cash though, and is unlikely to happen. They spoilt it for me, and sent me elsewhere for some of my purchases.

    I'm curious what Genesis 4 will bring, coupled with Studio 5.0 or Studio 4.10. Likely to be next year for both? Those that know obviously wont say; the rest of us will merely wonder.:)

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    I hear everyone's annoyance; I think that is the best way of putting it, or perhaps frustration.

    In protest at DRM etc, I have raised the matter with Customer Service, and also returned the last three items I purchased.

    As others have said, speaking with wallet, much louder than forum posts.

  • lx said:
    nicstt said:

     

    argel1200 said:

    There were other factors too, like adding the Install pane to DAZ Studio (bascially, tweaking the DAZ Connect user interface a bit) that may have delayed them. And I have a hard time believing that the RDNA aquisition did not cause a big delay in plans. So what wqe are seeing now could have been what we were supposed to be seeing a few months ago.  Though I agree with the creeping normality theory as well. We may just not be seeing it as soon as expected.

     


    But Connect does NOT need DRM to work.

    Just like encryption is not DRM; DRM, however, needs encryption.

    To call the DRM system Daz introduced by something other than DRM, has the possibility of confusing customers. I for one, don't like being misled, even when it's a mistake.

    Not properly labelling your content when asked has the potential to confuse customers - just look at all the comments by people who put things in their cart only to notice later every time an encrypted item is released. Suddenly ending one of many concurrent sales has the potential to confuse customers ... the new double row What's Hot list confuses the hell out of me - I don't even know how I'm meant to rank things on it. 

    It was stated when 4.9 was unveiled that it was all about removing customer confusion and to a lesser extent delaying piracy. We said that it was badly designed and a terrible idea. Several patches of bandaid fixes to Connect later, is everything simple and easy and are all the pirates buying here now? I sure hope so, because I'm too confused to tell anymore.

    They don't want us to be able to easily identify encrypted items yet; those of us that refuse to touch Connect and Encrypted Connect only products are a minority of users and those of us that refuse to buy any product that was initially marketed as such is probably even smaller. The problem is, they will probably see the lack of illegal downloads (what is commonly referred to as pirated products) as a sign that it's working and not realize that they aren't doing anything but delaying the inevitable; a majority of people that download the products illegally will never buy them, and that's been known for at least 16 years or longer.

  • NathNath Posts: 2,826
    edited July 2016

    New one: Tralala hair: http://www.daz3d.com/tra-la-la-hair-for-genesis-3-female-s

    Edit: http://www.daz3d.com/expressions-for-aiko-7-and-genesis-3-female-s as well (which I didn't spot right away as I don't have aiko 7, so didn't look at it)

    Post edited by Nath on
  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943

    Thank you! Both added to both lists.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    lx said:
    nicstt said:

     

    argel1200 said:

    There were other factors too, like adding the Install pane to DAZ Studio (bascially, tweaking the DAZ Connect user interface a bit) that may have delayed them. And I have a hard time believing that the RDNA aquisition did not cause a big delay in plans. So what wqe are seeing now could have been what we were supposed to be seeing a few months ago.  Though I agree with the creeping normality theory as well. We may just not be seeing it as soon as expected.

     


    But Connect does NOT need DRM to work.

    Just like encryption is not DRM; DRM, however, needs encryption.

    To call the DRM system Daz introduced by something other than DRM, has the possibility of confusing customers. I for one, don't like being misled, even when it's a mistake.

    Not properly labelling your content when asked has the potential to confuse customers - just look at all the comments by people who put things in their cart only to notice later every time an encrypted item is released. Suddenly ending one of many concurrent sales has the potential to confuse customers ... the new double row What's Hot list confuses the hell out of me - I don't even know how I'm meant to rank things on it. 

    It was stated when 4.9 was unveiled that it was all about removing customer confusion and to a lesser extent delaying piracy. We said that it was badly designed and a terrible idea. Several patches of bandaid fixes to Connect later, is everything simple and easy and are all the pirates buying here now? I sure hope so, because I'm too confused to tell anymore.

    They don't want us to be able to easily identify encrypted items yet; those of us that refuse to touch Connect and Encrypted Connect only products are a minority of users and those of us that refuse to buy any product that was initially marketed as such is probably even smaller. The problem is, they will probably see the lack of illegal downloads (what is commonly referred to as pirated products) as a sign that it's working and not realize that they aren't doing anything but delaying the inevitable; a majority of people that download the products illegally will never buy them, and that's been known for at least 16 years or longer.

    You are quite possibly correct.

    But I like to vent, and frequently do.

    If Daz go completely DRM (no indication that will happen) it will mean I'll purchase elsewhere, and I'll be a year or so behind on any new technology - well that's OK, it will save me some cash.

  • mambanegramambanegra Posts: 580
    Nath said:

    New one: Tralala hair: http://www.daz3d.com/tra-la-la-hair-for-genesis-3-female-s

    Edit: http://www.daz3d.com/expressions-for-aiko-7-and-genesis-3-female-s as well (which I didn't spot right away as I don't have aiko 7, so didn't look at it)

    grrr, I was going to buy that hair:(

  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996

    The Serah hair and the expressions did look nice. Oh well. More business lost.

  • N-RArtsN-RArts Posts: 1,496

    Christmas in July? It looks like someone has left some coal in our stockings...

    cheeky

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,287
    edited July 2016

    They are getting a little better at warning us. I'm now seeing little blue silhouettes of the DAZ "hand" in the bottom right corner of the thumbnails of encrypted items.

    Need to train myaself to look for that, still, but at least it's there.

    ETA: Well, no, that doesn't work. There are other items with that symbol that *aren't* encrypted content only. Bummer.

    Post edited by JOdel on
  • NathNath Posts: 2,826
    JOdel said:

    They are getting a little better at warning us. I'm now seeing little blue silhouettes of the DAZ "hand" in the bottom right corner of the thumbnails of encrypted items.

    Need to train myaself to look for that, still, but at least it's there.

    I think that's just signifying DazOriginal, since it's also on unencrypted items

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    Nath said:
    JOdel said:

    They are getting a little better at warning us. I'm now seeing little blue silhouettes of the DAZ "hand" in the bottom right corner of the thumbnails of encrypted items.

    Need to train myaself to look for that, still, but at least it's there.

    I think that's just signifying DazOriginal, since it's also on unencrypted items

    Yeah, that's only the DAZ Original icon.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    Well I'd dismissed the expressions as being too similar to some I have, before noticing they were encrypted.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    sighhhhh

    had trala hair in cart before realized >.<

    sad
    put me off shopping today, 

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,407
    MistyMist said:

    sighhhhh

    had trala hair in cart before realized >.<

    sad
    put me off shopping today, 

    Encumbered content always puts me off shopping. Saves me money I suppose.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    MistyMist said:

    sighhhhh

    had trala hair in cart before realized >.<

    sad
    put me off shopping today, 

    Encumbered content always puts me off shopping. Saves me money I suppose.

     

    hair addiction withdrawals  -  deetees

    whyy the hair, whyyyyy

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,018
    One nice thing about the RDNA stuff is that it's on aggressive sale and none of it is encrypted (that I'm aware of).
  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,090
    edited July 2016
    tl155180 said:
    tl155180 said:

    I think everyone is missing the point I was making. I understand the ins and outs - what I'm saying is that the original reason for encrypted content was to reduce piracy, but if they're continuing to offer all 3 download methods on almost all products (meaning its unencrypted content) then they aren't achieving their stated goal. I'm wondering why this isn't moving along faster - why isn't every new product becoming encrypted content if it was such a great idea?

    I probably worded my previous post poorly.

    Because the backlash would be too great so instead they are boiling frogs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#As_metaphor

    It makes me wonder if they now know it was a bad idea, but they're trying to save face by not backing down on it completely. They are rolling it out sooo painfully slowly and minimally that they might as well not be doing it at all. Think of all the pirates who are currently winning while Daz twiddle their thumbs ;) They don't seem to have much confidence in their plans.

    Unfortunately you can only push an idea so far. Every company is at the mercy of the customer base and their acceptance to a new plan or direction. If Daz sent out a mandate that all products had to be encrypted, think of the down period where nobody would buy any content because lot's of people are still against it and fear it. People fear what they do not understand. That could kill a company and would definately put some PA's out of business. So best approach is to do it slowly where people can try it out and see there is nothing to really fear using encrypted content. But if you force something too hard, you scare people off who are used to their traditional methods. Ease them into it, and they will see there is nothing to be scared of. Just like being scared of the dark as a kid...You grow out of it and realize there nothing to be scared of. Only reason I never used encrypted content was because I thought it would mess up my existing content structure that I set up. That was my fear, that it would overwrite all my old content I manually installed because I place things in a way that makes sense to me. Then I realized I can isolate the two and use both, so all my encryted content is in one content folder and doesn't touch my custom set up one. So that works for me. But I am not going to deny myself using a product I really want just over some fear. I will still download manual zips as a preference, but if something is encrypted and I really want it, I will buy it because it has no impact on me at all in what I want to use it for and still plays nice with my other content directories.

    Post edited by Zev0 on
  • GreeboGreebo Posts: 161

    We understand it all to well. I suggest you look up the deffinition of ""Creeping normality"

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