AI is going to be our biggest game changer
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I just jump right in here... I saved a long time to buy a 3090 card to make DAZ pictures..... Then AI came along and seriously it changed everything, I see no need to use Daz anymore. AI do it better, faster and much cheaper.
Daz3d will be just a memory unless they merge in the AI world. It would be cool to pose characters and make the AI imagine that scene.
look at my Instagram. I started out a month ago
https://www.instagram.com/ai.visualz/
Beautiful work! I agree that it does have many advantages over Daz & Poser, but it really does need to learn hands correctly, also how not to give extra body parts in weird places unless asked. Which is one of the biggest reasons I don't think it's gonna replace 3D and other non-AI art entirely. No idea how Daz software & models could merge into Stable Diffusion or whatever but if it could be done then I think we'd have the Holy Grail of making digital art. :sigh: Now if only my less-than-6-months-old computer had a 3090 card! Maybe someday ...
There is a tool called image2image that takes an input image and based on a strength value, uses that as a starting point for the AI generated image. You could pose a character in Daz Studio/Poser do a quick open GL render and use that to guide the AI with the pose for a figure/scene composition.
deleted may add something else here but I am having a senior moment and cannot do today what I did yesterday
I missed 30 files I needed now cannot recall how I batch exported the opacity maps
I can say it took me 3 softwares and about 10 goes but forgot what finally worked
180 images I cannot manually do it, well I can but it would take a long time
(well technically only 30, 150 worked yesterday)
if only DAZ did not have to jump through hoops to use png with alpha
I can make it but creating 180 LIE presets would be worse
if I perfect my billboard rig and release that as a freebie I will do them
video
the reason is rather embarrasing, uploading my slideshow I realised it was missing all my POC
I used people as the first word in the promp and only got caucasians so added black and so were in another part of the folder full of images ordered by name
the Asian people I got because wearing kimono apparently means Asian but wearing Wizard robes etc doesnt mean anything but white
it's the AI and it's biases I want people of every gender, culture etc
Does anybody know if Daz allows their members to post AI generated or assisted art? Because I've read that some sites have decided to ban it on much the same grounds that certain 3d sites do not welcome Daz or Poser (the whole not real art thing again). I've seen some posted at Rendo, though folks are wondering which category to use -- most seem to go with "mixed media" -- and apparently Deviant Art is okay with it, but I figured maybe I should ask before adding any to my gallery here.
I would think it would need to use DAZ content as well
AI is far from perfect. But it allows me to do illustrations for my fantasy books which look very pleasing.
To my knowledge nothing has been mentioned about it.
Guess we'll have to wait and see then. If I do post any to my gallery here, it will be from my Daz-based renders with the AI bit kinda like postworking in Photoshop. Any pure AI stuff will go elsewhere until I'm sure of all the rules; they're probably gonna have to make new ones for this.
Intriguing. Does anyone know of an example of a walk-through? A website that shows an original Daz/Poser or similar render, then the prompts, then the output?
well I can give an example using some selfies in NMKD Stable Diffusion GUI
18+ so won't play embedded here
Very cool and amazing example.
With Halloween coming up, we Americans may be all over this tech!
I have more mundane questions.
- Which of the various software options was used? How was the generator downloaded, installed, or otherwise accessed (eg online interface)? Is it free?
- Once able to access, how does it work? How would I enter my Daz/Poser etc initial image? How would I add text/verbal prompts? How do I generate an initial output? How do I edit or refine prompts and regenerate?
- How do I download / access my final image?
- Cost? is there a trial period? Is it a cost per prompt? Cost per generated image? Cost per final output? Cost per time period? One-time purchase cost?
My graphics card can run Stable Diffusion but not the image2image part because not enough vram. So I have been using this site: https://47725.gradio.app/ ; to drop Poser & Daz renders into, then play with the sliders and see what happens. Unfortunately I haven't seen a way to use prompts there so it's really very random what I get.
I linked it earlier but
https://nmkd.itch.io/t2i-gui
it will take a while to download and set up the models etc as I also mentioned earlier
you have a good Nvidia GPU
My 2080Ti does 704x704 images
I'm using the version from here: https://nmkd.itch.io/t2i-gui Windows/Mvidia required. It's free to download & use but you can donate via Paypal or Patreon if you like it. Best if you have a graphics card with 8+ gigs vram, that way you can use all the features like image2image and face restoration. Setup not that complicated and he has New version is coming in maybe a couple weeks, I'll probably donate to the developer then because worth it. He has a Discord channel where you can get support and tips, if you're into Discord.
Surely DS has built in AI already? It can randomly re-arrange my custom workspace with ease...
Most amazing (artistic) things done with AI I think are stuff that definitely could not be made by humans. Like those fascinating and trippy infinite art animations, generated from written text :
Technically unthinkable to make by hand, what's impressive is that we can "see" the algorithm thinking process, trying to generate understandable shapes then letting them melt into something else. It's coherent and insane at the same time. Colors, shape, each second could be a painted frame, and beautiful with that.
AIs, although coded by humans, won't be a better version of us. They'll be something totally different from us. And AI technology which was a myth only 15 years ago is now progressing at an unbelievable pace. Writing its own code, in all coding languages, and even translating code between them, learning by itself without the need to be taught.
Humans always felt the need to explain the unexplainable by some "Gods", superior beings. But very soon now, there will be on Earth a being, all made of data, energy and with a Neural Network the size of the Planet, infinitely more powerful than us. With AGI, and let's hope not ASI, Humans will face for the very first time in Earth's History : a being more intelligent than themselves. A new Alpha entity. And it won't be in 30 years from now.
Good at art ? Sure. But so much more too...
I'd love to be able to discuss those things here, very intersting topic, but...all I can say is the video is stunning:)))
We are not making special rules for AI-generated work - it is treated as just another tool, just another way to postwork your renders - and the acceptability of such images will be assessed on the same grounds as for straight renders in that venue (Gallery or Forum).
Sorry you feel that way but I think if you really looked at it - AI is a opportunity for you to do some awesome stuff and be inspired. I play around with AI everyday and think of it as a "creative sketch" It helps me nail down some concepts and I even hire some artists to make it pop or straighten out what AI cannot do.
Hasn't DAZ given us all the power to create! You could combine DAZ3d and AI and create some amazing things!
Cool! So as long as it's within the usual TOS it should be okay then. Next question: what if there's no Daz/Poser models involved, just a painting done in the AI software and Photoshop or Painter? Would that still be allowed, except of course for contest entries that specify Daz or other 3D products be used? Right now I am working on a portrait that came out of my imagination by way of Stable Diffusion and into Paintshop where I am happily painting it the way I used to do back when I was still physically able to use actual oils and acrylics. 2D, not 3D for this one. Is there a place for that? Things change so fast, it's hard to keep up. A month ago I never heard of Midjourney and the like, now look where we are!
I use guided imagery as well. I have the init image strength at 0.5 to 0.8 and then add prompts as necessary. You can also add "daz3d" and "iray" in your prompt if you want to make it look more like a render!
video
I am making 3D models now
(well bas relief backdrops)
I also have to say, I didn't spend any cent the last weeks at DAZ and I really was an addicted buyer here. AI changed my workflow a lot and I don't feel any need for buying new stuff.
Yo can see my imeges here if you are interested:
https://www.instagram.com/_nicola.yilmaz_art_/ ;
Facebook Nicola Y Art
I'm still not sure if I should post them here in the gallery. It somehow doesn't feel right for me, becaus it might others think they are made with Daz products. To clearify, all of my images are retouched in Photoshop or combinated with Daz and/or other images and are now raw AI outputs.
God, that bugs me... I have an Insta account for my pictures and every so often someone comes along and complains that it's not real. Really, Sparky? Were you disappointed to find out that Thanos wasn't really an alien too?
I dunno about AI art...maybe I just don't understand it well enough, but...creativity comes from within a human mind. Sure, AI can make gorgeous pictures, but it's not stemming from your creativity. It's stemming from someone else's creativity and you're just Calligulah on a couch saying, "Robot, make me a picture." How much of your own creativity goes into creating AI art? Or is it, at this point, you're just curating the work your little robot servant does for you?
Gallery images do need to be 3Dish (or using things like Photoshop brushes from the store - some connection). Forums we don't have such a requirement, given the range of topics discussed and the need/desire for supporting imagery, but obviosuly if we get floods of AI art we may have to consider the situation - but that would eb down to flooding, not the source.
I don't post in the DAZ gallery but if I did, AI art would only be used in conjuction with something DAZ
a background, texture, billboard or as shown in my last post a bas relief prop with DAZ content added
otherwise I would post like I do on Youtube, a Facebook group for AI art or maybe DeviantArt while allowed (that too might change)
my forum posts have either been examples for discussion or freebie offers of backgrounds for render and textures for props etc
I had a thread on a forum elsewhere using a product from that company deleted because they considered it me advertising Midjourney even though it was at that point just using images created using the free trial
and Dall-E and Craiyon for free too and animated with their software
a few videos like this
Well, apparently I was completely wrong about my earlier statement. Some people even in this thread do not seem to care that they are entering text instead of directly controlling pixels and they do seem artistically satisfied with it. Now I'm scared.
I think, disability that keeps me from using traditional art tools aside, the reason I'm comfortable with it is because I was that rare bird of a kid who ran around with a notebook and pen in one hand and a paintbrush in the other. And Richard, no worries. I have quite the collection of Ron's brushes from the store and I rarely pass up a chance to use them. So there will indeed be some Daz product connection to whatever I post in the gallery.
Don't let V.I.K.I., Skynet, or Genesis out of the jar. Are we working with Genesis Figures? Dang too late.