AI is going to be our biggest game changer

Byrdie

@WendyLuvsCats I must be doing something wrong. Installed that version and every time I try to generate something it throws this and I end up with nothing: RuntimeError: PytorchStreamReader failed reading zip archive: failed finding central directory

My graphics card is a GTX 1660 Super and I'm on Windows 11 Pro. I tried asking over at the Discord but so far nobody's answered. :-(

Richard Haseltine

Shag is also a bird -

The cormorant or common shag
   lays its eggs in a paper bag

etc.

Byrdie

Lots of words, even people's first names, have been ***ed out by cybernanny software on some sites. And no, I don't mean obvious names like Dick (Author Dick Francis for example). In one case the guy's name was Billy but the nannybot would not allow it in the post I was reading about his latest book. People have to get a bit creative with the spelling and punctuation on that site just to talk about those books & writers. 

WendyLuvsCatz

Byrdie said:

@WendyLuvsCats I must be doing something wrong. Installed that version and every time I try to generate something it throws this and I end up with nothing: RuntimeError: PytorchStreamReader failed reading zip archive: failed finding central directory

My graphics card is a GTX 1660 Super and I'm on Windows 11 Pro. I tried asking over at the Discord but so far nobody's answered. :-(

it had to install a bunch of stuff for me, put up a dialogue took over an hour but now works perfectly

but a few others having problems too

good thing about self contained is you can always delete it and try the next one someone builds  

frank0314

Wonderland said:

frank0314 said:

Shouldn't be any type of a thing with it being a name. That's a bit much!

Bots just pick it up I guess, no time for human intervention on Discord. I don’t think most Americans are even aware it’s considered a “bad word.” 

I heard it very rarely used growing up but since Austin Powers it's used quite often now and not in a very nice way.

nonesuch00

In baseball shagging is a synonym for fielding. shag = field (as a verb not as a noun). 

Wonderland

I admit I’m having a lot of fun with Midjourney but it is frustrating getting what you want. After refining things many times it feels a bit more like being an art director than an actual artist but it is still ctreative. It is bad though that it’s pulling from real artists’ work which sometimes even have a signature! 

Byrdie

@WendyLuvsCats  I reinstalled and now it is running. But ... the only thing it generates is this: 

The prompt was fluffy ginger tabby cat. 4 iterations, 4 green squares. :-(

juvesatriani

Check this COLAB link ,  No DL needed No login in Hugging face etc, , its already setup to make easy for you . You can just click - connect with your google drive   and  wait until everything installed .

You can also installing the offline version if your machine have more than 10-12GB GPU .

Img2Img really cool feature, I`ve got bunches  iterations from my own render . You can also emulating famous art style into your render 

WendyLuvsCatz

Byrdie said:

@WendyLuvsCats  I reinstalled and now it is running. But ... the only thing it generates is this: 

The prompt was fluffy ginger tabby cat. 4 iterations, 4 green squares. :-(

unfortunately I am no help other than maybe try smaller images to see if that works

I have utterly no coding etc knowledge am just a click and play user too

why it works for me and not several others with better hardware I might add I have no clue  

there is this too

https://huggingface.co/spaces/huggingface/diffuse-the-rest

Byrdie

@juvesatriani If that's easy I wouldn't like to see hard. All I found there was a whole page of what looks like release notes and other stuff that confused the heck outta me but no sign of a useable AI interface. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow when I've a lot less blood in my caffeine stream and a bit more time on my hands.

juvesatriani

@brydie if you need easy to use generator  check Dream Studio beta Version . It doesnt have Resizer and other fancy stuff but the latest version seem better than before

For previous Google collab link , check this video in youtube as guide . There are some few changes in recent UI ( simplified ) but main features and setting should be same

 

Byrdie

Thanks, I'll try those tomorrow when I can properly think. Too tired now after all day at this. Finally got the green square issue solved, now I need to figure out upscaling. Meanwhile, here's a kitty. 

WendyLuvsCatz

Byrdie said:

Thanks, I'll try those tomorrow when I can properly think. Too tired now after all day at this. Finally got the green square issue solved, now I need to figure out upscaling. Meanwhile, here's a kitty. 

 

juvesatriani

Everybody seem posting cat image , this not cute ones but it straight from Stable Diffusion :)

Byrdie

So was mine. Nice Persian, why he so sad? Still trying to figure out how to upscale/make bigger in the version I'm running. At least no more green squares, I'll figure it out eventually.

WendyLuvsCatz

from what I am reading on Facebook all AI Art is essentially public domain

the US Copyright Office has continued to reject all copyright claims

interesting times indeed

Byrdie

Question is, why does U.S. Copyright Office get to decide for anywhere that's NOT the U.S.? I think this is the sort of thing that individual countries should make rules about under their own copyright laws, then if need be negotiate differences via treaties and trade talks or whatever. The AI does not make anything entirely on it's own, there must be human involvement. If I can get copyright for an image by pressing the button on my camera, I should be able to do so by performing what is roughly the equivalent action with this new technology. 

inception8

Byrdie said:

Question is, why does U.S. Copyright Office get to decide for anywhere that's NOT the U.S.?

Indeed. Indeed. And watchout for the Copyright Karens following you around with their tightly wrapped scrolls waving them in your face like you've just had an unexpected religious experience.

 

WendyLuvsCatz

I am Australian but know all too well how much influence American Copyright, trademarks and laws have on everything internationally 

also values and culture 

especially on what I can upload to platforms like Youtube

things acceptable downunder get me strikes and warnings 

evacyn

I've been playing around with Stable Diffusion and it's cool and fun to tinker with but once I've entered my prompts and it spits out an image, I don't feel like I've created anything. And the output isn't want I was expecting or envisioned - so it's always just going to be missing something. 

I also wanted to note how funny it is that 6-ish years ago when I first started with Daz/3d, some people I'd come across online would question whether I was actually just playing 'dress up' with existing assets as opposed to the more traditional art forms (looking at you ArtStation, etc.). Well, the AI prompt-based creations I'm seeing on DA reduce the artistic input to sub-atomic levels compared to Daz/3d art, so I guess that's vindicating :) 

bluejaunte

evacyn said:

I've been playing around with Stable Diffusion and it's cool and fun to tinker with but once I've entered my prompts and it spits out an image, I don't feel like I've created anything. And the output isn't want I was expecting or envisioned - so it's always just going to be missing something. 

I also wanted to note how funny it is that 6-ish years ago when I first started with Daz/3d, some people I'd come across online would question whether I was actually just playing 'dress up' with existing assets as opposed to the more traditional art forms (looking at you ArtStation, etc.). Well, the AI prompt-based creations I'm seeing on DA reduce the artistic input to sub-atomic levels compared to Daz/3d art, so I guess that's vindicating :) 

This describes exactly what I've come to think about AI generated art. On the business side of things, AI will be used as much as possible to get work done. If companies can get around using "expensive" concept artists or at least make them more productive using AI, they will. But the end users like us folks here are not going to feel any satisfaction writing a sentence of instructions and getting a computer generated result that we had nothing much to do with. Being a director while the computer generates everything sounds like a wonderful thing at first, but the control would have to get so granular you'd basically write an essay or a whole book to get close to what you want. At that point, the creative value would be in being a good and imaginative writer rather than a visual artist. Who here is ready to trade visual art for writing?

Byrdie

Those of us who have a foot in both worlds will likely find it useful. Even so, I don't think it will replace traditional art, even the modern 3d like Daz, Poser, etc. There'll always be a demand for that, no matter how much technology advances. 

WendyLuvsCatz

one can use it to texture 3D stuff too, I made some seamless in Gimp, others like the framed ones I can use as is

barbult

WendyLuvsCatz said:

one can use it to texture 3D stuff too, I made some seamless in Gimp, others like the framed ones I can use as is

I like your floral design with gold wires.

WendyLuvsCatz

barbult said:

WendyLuvsCatz said:

one can use it to texture 3D stuff too, I made some seamless in Gimp, others like the framed ones I can use as is

I like your floral design with gold wires.

feel free to click and download, no copyright on AI art  

barbult

WendyLuvsCatz said:

barbult said:

WendyLuvsCatz said:

one can use it to texture 3D stuff too, I made some seamless in Gimp, others like the framed ones I can use as is

I like your floral design with gold wires.

feel free to click and download, no copyright on AI art  

I did! Thanks.

Mada

WendyLuvsCatz said:

barbult said:

WendyLuvsCatz said:

one can use it to texture 3D stuff too, I made some seamless in Gimp, others like the framed ones I can use as is

I like your floral design with gold wires.

feel free to click and download, no copyright on AI art  

AI art is not copyrighted because its done by a machine - however once there's human input and reworked into a new art piece then it becomes copyrighted. Similar to how original William Morris textures are copyright free - but wallpaper and materials that's been updated and retouched are not, that particular image belongs to the artist/company who worked on the project. :)

WendyLuvsCatz

Mada said:

WendyLuvsCatz said:

barbult said:

WendyLuvsCatz said:

one can use it to texture 3D stuff too, I made some seamless in Gimp, others like the framed ones I can use as is

I like your floral design with gold wires.

feel free to click and download, no copyright on AI art  

AI art is not copyrighted because its done by a machine - however once there's human input and reworked into a new art piece then it becomes copyrighted. Similar to how original William Morris textures are copyright free - but wallpaper and materials that's been updated and retouched are not, that particular image belongs to the artist/company who worked on the project. :)

well no copyright on mine  

Pendraia

outrider42 said:

There is already a push by unionized artists in various fields to stop AI from taking their roles. This will only grow as AI works get more attention.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-61166272

This next link does not mention unions, but a recent news article that used an AI generated picture drew instant backlash from artists.

https://mixed-news.com/en/artists-and-designers-protest-against-ai-generated-graphics/

So I believe it is only a matter of time that their efforts will result in new copyright laws and usage restrictions that will curtail a lot of AI generated works from gaining too much ground. I think it will come down to how the AI was created. If you create an AI yourself using materials you have ownership of or permission to use, then you will be fine. But if you use one of these online AI generators in this thread, there will be no way to copyright your work.

The catch is obvious, not many people or companies are going to make their own AI. There will be exceptions, like I can see Disney creating an AI to replicate deceased actors, but even here they still need permission from the estate to use the likeness in the first place.

I know the Stable Diffusion says you own the results you get, but they also make it clear in the EULA that the laws of your country take priority:

"You agree not to use the Model or Derivatives of the Model:

- In any way that violates any applicable national, federal, state, local or international law or regulation"

Obviously this would include any copyright laws.

Additionally, the EULA for Stable sounds restrictive enough to limit naughty boys and girls from using it for their naughty purposes. So you naughty Daz artists out there have little to fear, LOL.

There will be all kinds of cool things you can do with this stuff, no doubt. But do not expect to be able to use them commercially so easily, and they will not replace real artists that easily, either, no more than a stock image seller has.

This has been my concern all along. Who will own the ai. I see some beautiful ai images recently obviously derived from a particular artists work. This is such a grey area.