AI is going to be our biggest game changer

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  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited September 2022

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmvqm/an-ai-generated-artwork-won-first-place-at-a-state-fair-fine-arts-competition-and-artists-are-pissed?

     

     Quote from the article - 

    According to Allen, his input was instrumental to the shaping of the award winning painting. “I have been exploring a special prompt that I will be publishing at a later date, I have created 100s of images using it, and after many weeks of fine tuning and curating my gens, I chose my top 3 and had them printed on canvas after unshackling with Gigapixel AI,” he wrote in a post before the winners were announced.

    My dude, you put some words into Discord and an algorithm did the work. It's a beautiful piece, but that winning out in a competition against other digitial artworks where creators had to ply their actual skill (whether that be in digital painting or with rendering, etc)...that's a slap in the face to those artists. If there was a category specifically for AI-generated artwork? Ok, then. Let those people compete against each other to determine who can come up with the best prompts to feed into an algorithm. 

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  • IppotamusIppotamus Posts: 1,579

    Here is a comic made with Midjourney.

    Who knew?

    https://www.kriskashtanova.com/pageai

     

    Me?  I'm done with digital art. 

    I'm going back to playing accordion on the street corner for pocket change.

    Peace

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    Ippotamus said:

    Here is a comic made with Midjourney.

    Who knew?

    https://www.kriskashtanova.com/pageai

     

    Me?  I'm done with digital art. 

    I'm going back to playing accordion on the street corner for pocket change.

    Peace

    Honestly, I've lost whatever small amount of inspiration I've had due to this whole thing. Like why even bother. I should just go back to writing fanfiction in my spare time rather than playing with digital artwork because whatever I do with it might as well be thrown away at this point.  

  • PixelSploitingPixelSploiting Posts: 898
    edited September 2022

    This "comic" has no visual story flow. Ideally, a by-the-book, made to all rules of narrative art, comic page should be understandable/readable even before it has any speech bubbles added. What you see there is a flow of painterly images that have no meaning if stripped of the text and they don't connect into a story sequence.

    That thing wouldn't fly in any comic contest. It'd be thrown away by any publisher.

    Comic books and storyboarding is exactly what is beyond the AI abilities. 

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  • MelissaGT said:

    Ippotamus said:

    Here is a comic made with Midjourney.

    Who knew?

    https://www.kriskashtanova.com/pageai

     

    Me?  I'm done with digital art. 

    I'm going back to playing accordion on the street corner for pocket change.

    Peace

    Honestly, I've lost whatever small amount of inspiration I've had due to this whole thing. Like why even bother. I should just go back to writing fanfiction in my spare time rather than playing with digital artwork because whatever I do with it might as well be thrown away at this point.  

    The AI is coming for fiction writing, too.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066
    edited September 2022

    PixelSploiting said:

    All this AI work is derivative. Without being fed human-made images first, it would not generate a single piece. It's not that different than people making photo collages back in the day, except now it's automated.

    It's going to fizzle because of the IP and copyrights. Someone owns those basic building blocks the AI is using, and the AI is only random generator incapable of making things from the scratch.

    I disagree...

    Mostly because I'm cranky due to a lack of pound cake for dessert... but even if I had pound cake, I'd probably still disagree because I'm obstinate and prone to disagreement... 

    You are ignoring that soon enough all the fetching silicone robotic "companions" that we'll be able to 3D print at home to "keep us company" will eventually turn on us and start making art for themselves, just like in Westworld or one of those movies where robots get fed up with stupid humans and revolt... but they won't kill us off outright, they'll do it indirectly by ruining all the fun or interesting stuff we enjoy...
    And you can't sue a robot, so they'll get away with all sort of copyright infringement and IP shenanigans... which is how they'll indirectly and very subtly destroy mankind.

    I'd also like to point out that back in the day, collage makers supported the entire mucilage and paste industry... something that AI could never lay claim to.

    Unless it were virtual mucilage...

    Then maybe.

    I wish I had some pound cake.

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  • juvesatrianijuvesatriani Posts: 556
    edited September 2022

    Stable Diffsuion Test

    Stable diffusion latest model with "DAZ" and "IRAY" as part of text prompt .  Eyes and Camera lens seem still not quite right

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  • TheMysteryIsThePoint maybe check out this guy

    https://www.youtube.com/c/NerdyRodent

    he speaketh the mysterious indeed Linux and Ubuntu etc eldritch tongues of wise sages and casteth spells of great AI Arty power with his Anaconda that don't want none unless you have nice buns presumably

    I watch and admire the results but it is like majixes and incantations to me surprise

  • WendyLuvsCatz said:

    TheMysteryIsThePoint maybe check out this guy

    https://www.youtube.com/c/NerdyRodent

    he speaketh the mysterious indeed Linux and Ubuntu etc eldritch tongues of wise sages and casteth spells of great AI Arty power with his Anaconda that don't want none unless you have nice buns presumably

    I watch and admire the results but it is like majixes and incantations to me surprise

    Thanks Wendy, I subscribed to the channel.

    And I was wondering if you were going to take advantage of a perfectly good opportunity for the appropriate reference, and you did before you even completed the sentence :) Nicely done, Lady LuvsCatz.

  • Steve KSteve K Posts: 3,266

    "An A.I.-Generated Picture Won an Art Prize. Artists Aren’t Happy"  (NYTimes, 2Sept2022)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/02/technology/ai-artificial-intelligence-artists.html

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  • GoggerGogger Posts: 2,411
    edited September 2022

    It could be worse.  At least with MidJourney the most I have to wait is a couple of minutes. If we were being replaced by clever sloths using DAZ Studio we could be waiting much, much longer for something to complain about!

    Seriously though, I'm not getting my knickers in a knot over any of this.  I remember when digital cameras came out and "professional photographers" cried out in anguish, shaking angry fists at the heavens, "Digital photographers are NOT Photographers!", and "They're stealing the LIFE out of photography!"  (same for Vinyl vs CD, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.)  

    Come on, man! These are AMAZING times! Get on a surf board, grab a wave and see where it takes you!

    Now, I think I am going to go listen to some CDs and take pictures with my digital camera while waiting for MidJourney sloths to render my art for me.

    P.S. Git off'n my lawn!

    P.P.S.  WHY on earth do we not have a SLOTH in the DAZ store???  Baby sloths would probably crash the store servers!  (Hmmm... maybe I need to start creating models to sell.  Oh wait, give MidJourney a hot minute - A.I. generated 3D models!  (P.S. They've ALREADY started on that.)


     

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,483
    edited September 2022

    found a depth map animation site link in video descriptions on Youtube

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  • I tried out Midjourney this week it is a fantastic program , Downside I did not feel like the artist of the image as it was made for me rather than by me.

     

     

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  • After some frustrating false starts I got Stable Diffusion working on my M1 Mac Studio.

    I asked it "who's a good boy?" and had my answer in 22 seconds.

    The amazing thing is that not only does it work just fine on a Mac, it uses the M1's GPU. Hear that, Daz Productions, Inc?

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  • ByrdieByrdie Posts: 1,783

    Nice! All my attempts with Stable Diffusion have resulted in horrible mutations like this. Then again I was using the in browser version, not on my computer. Maybe that makes a difference? Also they want money and no way am I paying to generate rubbish.

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  • MadaMada Posts: 2,016
    edited September 2022

    I'm really enjoying the concept creation aspect of Midjourney, and its been very interesting seeing the advancements and improvements over a relatively short time. Its a fantastic tool to explore different ideas quickly.

    I agree that its likely to be similar to what happened to photography when digital cameras came out - imo the convenience of being able to take a quality photo on my smartphone and not having to pay a TON of money to develop it is a fantastic improvement. I don't think artists will be replaced, but clip art studios on the other hand might have some competition.

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  • awww cute heart

  • ByrdieByrdie Posts: 1,783

    I think eventually it'll just be another tool in the toolbox, at least I hope so. Still trying to figure out the whole Stable Diffusion on my computer thing, it looks pretty complicated since I am not into programming and python and whatever the heck else is in the instructions over at How-To Geek. Today I tried midjourney and people are making some amazing renders with that. :sigh: Again, expensive if you're a hobbyist on fixed income. All too easy to blow through your alloted credits, free or paid, just trying to figure out how to get a picture that's useful and where the heck to find it. After all today's work, midjourney finally gave me this. Click for bigger.

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,019

    I made the mistake of checking out Midjourney late last night and ended up doing an all-nighter playing with it lol. Most of the images were just too distorted and Discord drives me crazy as the images went by so fast it was hard to even find my own. I do find it disturbing that some people were inputting names of specific artists who are still alive and selling on Fine Art America and came out with art that looks almost identical. Some were putting in “Octane render” to scoop up others’ renders. All of OUR art that’s on the Internet could be used as mixes and sold commercially. It’s a fun toy but a slippery slope for artists’ rights. There’s another app Craiyon that I think is actually better and FREE but you can’t get high res versions or use anything commercially. I think that’s actually better. 

  • there is a newer Stable Diffusion standalone GUI out

    still Windows and Nvidia only

    but has Image2image as well as text prompt

    https://nmkd.itch.io/t2i-gui

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,016

    @Wonderland - if the scrolling bugs you (like it did me) - like one of your images in the discord channel with an envelope emoji - that will send it to your direct messages, then you can chat with the bot in your direct messages instead of a public channel.

    The octane render used in text is actually not to scoop up other's renders - its to pick a render style. Part of the fun is you can combine all the different styles, as well as some of your artists - and get a complete new style.
    For example on this page is shows the impact of the different SFX and shaders : https://github.com/willwulfken/MidJourney-Styles-and-Keywords-Reference/blob/main/Pages/MJ_V3/Style_Pages/SFX_and_Shaders.md

  • ByrdieByrdie Posts: 1,783

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    there is a newer Stable Diffusion standalone GUI out

    still Windows and Nvidia only

    but has Image2image as well as text prompt

    https://nmkd.itch.io/t2i-gui

    Thanks, downloading now and will give it a try. 

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,019
    edited September 2022

    @Mada Do I need to sign up for Github to see it or has it been altered? I get some folders filled with HTML code,something about removed images, and all blank squares where images should be. 

    Edit: Nevermind I was looking at the wrong page and folders. Thanks for the info!

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,019

    Funny I almost got banned from Midjourney because I wanted to create images in the style of SHAG the artist but apparently it considers that a bad word lol. I tried twice before I realized why my image wasn’t going through, Shag, really? I mean what if you wanted a shag rug,

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,251
    edited September 2022

    Well shag and shag rub mean two completely different things. One is an object and the other is a slang of an action used alone. It being used alone may get removed here as well for violation of language depending on its usage.

    Edit for clarity 

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  • ByrdieByrdie Posts: 1,783

    Shag is also a type of tobacco and it is referred to, at least in the Sherlock Holmes books, simply as that. Just one word: shag. As in "an ounce of..." in the Master's pipe. So the word by itself is not "naughty" and really ought not be banworthy.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,251

    It has different meaning in every country and different usages so it has to depend on how it's used in the text to determine if it should be some type of disciplinary action.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,019

    frank0314 said:

    It has different meaning in every country and different usages so it has to depend on how it's used in the text to determine if it should be some type of disciplinary action.

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard it in America used as a bad word. I think I first heard it in Austin Powers maybe? Shagadelic? Is that a thing? I remember it from somewhere, probably Austin Powers. 

    This is the artist. It’s a shame his name gets banned! I love his art style and even met him twice at his art gallery openings. http://www.shag.com/

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,251

    Shouldn't be any type of a thing with it being a name. That's a bit much!

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,019

    frank0314 said:

    Shouldn't be any type of a thing with it being a name. That's a bit much!

    Bots just pick it up I guess, no time for human intervention on Discord. I don’t think most Americans are even aware it’s considered a “bad word.” 

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