Novica & Forum Members Tips & Product Reviews Pt 11
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@cismic It's obvious you spent a lot of time on that, and it shows. Thumbs up on the lighting and posing!
This is lovely!
European Style Apartment
Okay, so what's with the light? I've got Scene only, the ceiling light isn't throwing that light, so where is it coming from? Anyone test the kitchen? I'm sure the answer is hitting me in the face, but after ten minutes of looking for light sources in Scene amd tilting the camera every which way, I can't find the light source. It's too glaring, and I have the Exposure Value darkened with my typical 135 Film ISO, so no, it's not the Tone Mapping Settings. As you can see, the tube light is on the ceiling and that's not the light source. Maybe I missed something in Scene.
I'm pretty sure I read in the promos or description that the windows are emissive to mimic light coming in, and I think there are presets for it. (But I'm going from memory.)
ETA: From the description:
Good catch. I was going back through the ReadMe and that's it. So IMO it's still not quite right- it's too glaring on that one chair, no matter how low I took the luminance in Surfaces it was just too much light concentrated in one spot. That's just my opinion and as always, keep in mind I could be doing something wrong. However, I didn't move the windows LOL so the light they are emitting will focus on that one spot I think. So in Scene, the Windows there have cold and warm emission bones, and you go to Surface and adjust from there. (Which I did, and still didn't like the one chair getting too much light)
ETA- I didn't find/use the sliders so maybe you'll get better results that way (but only if the light isn't concentrated on that one chair.) Edit- see below, sliders are in Parameters, the emissives are under Wall 1.
You can, however, darken the surface of the chair(s) to various degrees and it would work. I'd rather just adjust the brightness of the tube light on the ceiling and use another light coming in from outside.
I didn't buy it, yet, so I'm only guessing here, but can't you go into the surfaces editor and turn off the emissions? (Either set the Emissive Color to Black, or Luminance to 0…?)
Oh, wait! You said you didn't find the sliders. Maybe they mean the sliders for the Luminance setting…!
I didn't look for sliders, so don't know what they were talking about. But there were two emissives in Surfaces for the tube light on the ceiling and I turned that way down first, thinking it was NOT contributing but just eliminating it to be sure. The luminance in Surfaces for the window emissions was turned down and while it helped, that one section (chair) still seemed to have more than it's fair share of light.
However, I'm looking and there is a Pose Control in Parameters with a slider. I'll have to reload and test that separately. Meanwhile, I'll show you first what I did instead (in a few minutes, finishing rendering now.)
Regarding the vendor's settings- I loaded the kitchen so I'd have it from scratch, and that window is located under Wall 1. BOTH the warm and cold emitters are ON (which means double lighting) Warm is set to 60% in Parameters, where the slider is. I'm knocking that down a bit, using the same Tone Mapping settings as the render I am finishing up. This had a tiny bit of dome lighting too, but that chair lighting is primarily from the vendor preset (the window emitter.)
Note: I turned off the cold emitter (in Scene) Edit- wow, that sucker default is 80%)
It STILL focuses light on that one chair.
Still using the vendor's lights and those settings, here's a different view, with and without the wall in back adjusted for burnout. When I darkened it, I used color 201 / 214 / 214. That's gray with a hint of blue. First, without adjusting the back wall. You'll see the vendor's light from the window does well at lighting the table and back wall, but you may need to adjust the Surface of that wall and cabinets. Definitely turn down any dome lighting.
And here it is, still using the vendor's light- with the back wall and cabinets adjusted and darkened with a light gray/light blue in Surfaces. Note you can now see the tile details.
Your Tone Mapping settings will determine how bright this is of course, but it makes for very nice lighting from this view.
Dumor's Indoor Plant Set 2- Dome Orientations: X is 340, Y is 80, Z is 340.
The Exposure Value was 10.84 but first do the Film ISO at 135. In Environment, do the Environment Intensity at 1.93.
So, first, without using the vendor's lighting- I eliminated the Warm and Cold emitters and only used Dumor's Apocalyptic Plant Indoor Set 2 and did the fun dome tweaks (in Environment) to get the seats of the chairs highlighted and no sunlight glaring on the faces of seated guests. Will give a nice glow without direct sunlight in the eyes (I think.) However, those settings will put the table top and contents in muted light. Second render below.
Unlike the vendor's settings, if you use the Dome settings I gave you, the table top will be in shadow.
Thank you, @novica and @icedragonart lots of settings and ideas as used on this thread. :-)
Looks like they actually are using an emiisive sphere with a transparency cutout to hide the geometry floating right over that table near the window.
@Novica and anyone else who lives by Paypal.... :) I paid for an order via Paypal, and the circular "spinning" thing whirled l o n g like it has the last couple days when Paypaling, and finally it finished, except it did the thing Novica experienced: stated my transaction was under "Review" per regulations, would be finished within 72 hrs. A couple hours later, email from Paypal said they'd REVERSED (aka, cancelled) my order. @#$@!!
So: being it was the middle of the night and nobody would be answering a phone at Paypal, I shopped a couple of the new "Daz" day's deals, and added a GiftCert sized to cover the cancelled order and used my debit card--not Paypal, then filed a ticket to sales support at Daz explaining about Paypal and asking them to take the $$ from my store credit to "un-reverse" and complete the original order/deal. I'm hopeful that Daz will honor the deal, but I'm certainly not going to be upset with them if they don't--- this is on Paypal.
The part I *really* don't like is that nowhere, in the emails, or on the site in the transaction details etc, does Paypal bother to even give any hint of a reason for reviewing and then cancelling the transaction. (There was NOT a problem with my bank or money; Paypal GOT the money, so that was not the deal-breaker, and when they reviewed&cancelled, they refunded the money back, but to the PAYPAL balance, instead of back to my bank, which is also angry-making, since they've put me out, maybe made me loose a good cartload/deal, and now, they've taken money from my bank they'll get to hold and accrue (admittedly an infinitesimal amount) interest on until I buy something somewhere to use it.
Observations: 1, shoppers using Paypal at Daz need to pay close attention so you'll know right away if your transaction is getting "Reviewed" since you will get the invoice pop up thingy from daz just like always; it just won't say "completed" for the payment part. 2. The recent--like last few days--addition of Amazon Pay to the Daz checkout now has me wondering if this problem with Paypal has been cropping up more recently, hence new options to pay. 3, Novica and I are both in Florida... is this a coincidence? Has anyone else been getting this sort of Paypal checkout "review" and/or "Reverse" lately?
When I hear from sales support at Daz, I'll post whether or not Daz let me keep the deal/cart so that if/when this happens to anyone else, you'll know how to save your cart. (or not, if it turns out that way.) :)
~Gen
Mine got cancelled too btw, even though they had me try again (PayPal) and the order went through. Products were in DIM and I downloaded and installed w/out problems. But in Orders it says cancelled so I filed a ticket and told them to get that fixed!!! I wonder too if Amazon being added messed this up.
Getting some sleep, happy shopping. More nice things today.
This started before Amazon was added. According to Paypal, they have no way of knowing why a particular transaction was held for review. They insist that their policies haven't changed at all (but I don't believe them frankly). They also suggested I use Venmo to pay. When I brought up it was owned by Paypal, there was a long pause and the guy told me the security with Venmo isn't as tight (moot point since it isn't a pay option). This has happened to me several times now (I want to say 5). I also always pay with Paypal funds (since I get paid through Paypal), but I know others that have had this issue have paid with direct draws from their checking accounts, debit cards and credit cards, so it doesn't seem that any one type triggers it. Personally, I recommend alternate pay methods until it's figured out.
I use Paypal exclusively for 3D content. I've had my debit card compromised too many times. (Although I think I know which site was the risk, and it's not Daz.) But I don't make a lot of small transactions any more. I keep my Store Credit up by purchasing as large a Gift Card I can afford when Daz puts them on sale for 15% or more. I already know I'm going to spend the money here, so investing in discounted store credit makes sense for me.
But I admit I'd be hopping mad if I was buying a $300 Gift card at 25% off and Paypal cancelled my order! Especially if they'd already taken the money out of my bank account!
I'm glad that I've had time the past couple of weeks to participate and post. I've found that it takes me longer to put together images as I've tried to not do post in Photoshop. At least I think that with patience a render can look pretty good. Still working on that one though. :-)
the dForce lady justice outfit does a nice job with dForce in many posed positions. And, the Stella hair I've used in multiple renders.
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You know you have too much stuff when Ron's store is 70% off (see Flash sale) and you have all of it except a bundle- and you have everything in the bundle.
For newbies who haven't shopped much- scoop this vendor's products up! They're awesome!!!!!
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+1 (with a caveat) Some of the newest product's in Deviney's Store don't play well with pre-CS6 Photoshop, from what I've read here in the forums. Not sure about Gimp, or other programs. If you subscribe to Photoshop CC, any of these will work for you. If not, start with the older products, or products that give you premade background images. When it comes to brushes, the old content is just as valuable as the new.
With the subscription comes the option to switch back and forth to previous versions of Photoshop. Didn't know that until I was shopping on Envato Graphics River (whatever that's called, I'm headed out the door and rushing.) So if a Photoshop plugin takes an older version, you can go to your Adobe settings and get that version. Then switch back. I haven't done it, but I did check to see if the option was there last year, and it was. :)
I no longer use Photoshop since they went subscription and web only and deactivated my locally installed version when they did it
When I contacted support was told that I would have to upgrade to a cloud version as they no longer supported local installs
Very nice!
@cismic - very nice! I love the luminous rain effect here.
~Gen
Very detailed and the effects are wonderful!
Re: Paypal/Daz3d issues: the good bad & ugly....
GOOD news is that daz support said they WOULD LET ME PAY via store credit the invoice/order that PAYPAL "reviewed" and subsequently "Reversed" aka cancelled, so I get the cartload/deals I bought (or tried to, anyway). Yaay, Thanks, Daz! So if this happens to you, you will be able to still get your goodies/deals despite the Paypal problem; just get a GC for the amount, put to Store Credit and email sales support at Daz3d with the order# and ask them to get it from SC.
The BAD and UGLY news is calling Paypal, waiting, and then speaking to cust srvc person who repeatedly invoked non-specific boogeyman "regulations" to excuse the cancellation. Rep not only would NOT provide a specific objective reason for the review & cancellation, but when I pressed for a transfer to (or even email from) someone who COULD provide the specific reasons the transaction was cancelled, and what specific regulations were breached the rep literally stated that there was NO ONE at paypal who could tell me anything specific. "Regulations!' (can ya vague that up for me?) Next, I asked the rep to send the refunded money (from the cancelled transaction) back to my bank whence it came instead of leaving it floating in Paypal balance. It's only right, since they took the funds to do the transaction, but since they didn't do their part, why should THEY hold MY MONEY instead of putting it back. The rep said, um, no. If you want it back (where they took it from!) you'd have to go into paypal and initiate the transfer back yourself.
After explaining that other shoppers were also suddenly having paypal issues at Daz3d, the rep insisted nothing had changed, that these things occasionally happen, because..."regulations" and basically: get over it! When I challenged the rep that I'd been shopping at Daz all this millenium very frequently & almost exclusively using paypal for literally years on end, that it seemed incredible that suddenly transactions at Daz3d would be running afoul of "regulations." I mean, seriously, if it is the same merchant (daz3d) using the same transaction mechanisms & software day in and day out and the same customer, say, me, buying something how can 1 transaction be out-of-compliance but the others perfectly okay? This might be understandable say if the transactions were for huge dollar amounts that were out of routine and somehow suspicious but in fact the amount of my cancelled transaction was in the same range as all my other transaction with daz which have been okay. The rep repeated the non-answer answer, but did finally state that there were other "reviews" and "declines" involving Daz3d; pressed, the rep WOULD NOT SAY HOW MANY or if this was typical or an upswing in such events nor any other sort of details. The rep did state that "DAZ3d COULD ALWAYS CONTACT PAYPAL if there was a problem." ( !! IF there was a problem !!) Finally, I asked the paypal rep a question: If your bank randomly "reviewed" & "reversed" some of your transactions (where there can be consequences, as penalties, late fees etc) such as denying your mortgage transaction one month, or declining your debit card at a store you shop at daily or get gas weekly, and WOULD NOT GIVE ANY DETAILS OR REASONS, would you be okay with that? The paypal rep instantly answered, "It they said...due to regulations... yes, that'd be fine. WOW. So I'm wondering if it's time to start divorce proceedings from Paypal, because that refusal or inability to be accountable, to give legitimate explanation is not okay for me. I told the rep I don't want to play russian roulette when I am doing any kind of money transaction, that the (now fading) allure of Paypal had been RELIABILITY, and convenience.
~Gen
In Florida, the Business Regulatory Commission investigates businesses DOING BUSINESS (like Paypal does) in the state. The business can get $25,000 fines for practices deemed unethical, cringeworthy, in violation of decent trade practices, you get the gist. And if you notice, there will be a FEE starting November 7th if you transfer money from Paypal, can't remember if it is from the "wallet" or just transferring money in general.
So if it had been Nov 7th or later, you may have had to pay to get it back into your account. Crap would hit the fan if that was my money they took, cancelled, and then tried to charge me to fix it. THAT indeed qualifies for the business oversight agency in your state. (In addition to a Better Business Bureau complaint.)
I honestly don't think any of this is Daz's fault.
Thank you @spuffy @genaris @novica I appreciate the comments. :-)
Great looking render cismic. I can see why so many like it.
I forgot about that fee stuff starting Nov 7, Novica... TY for reminder! I'm with you, I don't see how this can be Daz's fault, I'm def laying all blame (until proven otherwise) on Paypal, and between their inability/unwillingness to specify details to account for thiese "Reviews" & "Reversals" and the new fees, I really think the honeymoon is over for me.
I just bought a wonderful outfit (Everyday Outfit for Genesis 8 Males by zoro_d) at the other store (R) and used ...argh... my debit card... for the first time there in who knows how many years and it was a PIA compared to Paypal, but... At least, here at Daz, we can save payment methods/details so that takes some of the pain away from avoiding paypal.
PS: the outfit I just bought, mentioned above, looks very cool and there's a YT video the maker has in the product page which shows the morphs and features... it looks like zoro_d put lots of effort into making the outfit move and adjust well to poses, so I'm excited to get that; anyone looking for a distinctive looking g8m outfit-- check it out NOW while it's on sale for a very good price!
~Gen
I did a PayPal transaction this week when I bought the Cartoonizer for Genesis 8 Male (or maybe a PC+ item) I think it was and it errorred out on the transfer of transction data several times between DAZ 3D and PayPal 2 days ago I think it was. Eventually it did go through though and I checked to make sure it only went through once. Once the failed attempts that blue 'wait' circle never showed up but it just went directly to some your of corba type text page written in black and red letters.
I haven't had a transaction 'reviewed and reversed' at PayPal yet but I don't shop with very high frequency at the DAZ 3D store to run into those conditions like frequent shoppers might. I have though in the past had to get PayPal to reverse a charge done but only twice and never at DAZ 3D (although DAZ 3D store glitches have overcharged me by hundreds of dollars 3 times that I've had to ask DAZ 3D to have reversed off of my bank account debit card!).
Thank you @RGcincy I do appreciate the comment. :-)