FilaToon / Cell shaded rendering with Filament

Oso3D

I will note that while Dartanbeck's light set up is a great idea, you don't HAVE to do much.

I usually just pop in a distant light, adjust the angle, add a zero to intensity, turn on shadows, and then groove.

 

Oso3D

More playing around (rather than doing the work I should be doing bah)

 

Daneel

So if I understand correctly:
Engine - viewport / Filament
Filament Draw Options where I can play with the settings.
 

Dartanbeck

crosswind said:

Yep, I got it ~ I'm now reading the PDF that Mada shared and try what you suggested. It's getting better and better . Nice ! Thank you very much !

太棒了，我的朋友！！！

rokkr

Dartanbeck said:

rokkr said:

Am I doing something wrong or geografts don't work with this new shader?

Select the geografted item

1. Go to Surfaces pane
2. Open the hierarchy to expose all of the materials
3. Select all materials except for those that must remain transparent
4. Go to Shader Presets > Filatoon > Presets and apply a preset

Pardon my ignorance, but is this hierarchy the ">" that shows all the surfaces? Well... I did that and, even if I copy the exact shader from the surface it is, it looks different, like it has a gloss...

Thanks for the answer. I've felt kinda honored because I love your work and that girl character you created. I even bought Carrara just because I saw the animations you've made on it (though I'm still clueless about how to use it).

EDIT: wanna know the crazy thing? I've fixed it by accident... I deleted my figure by mistake and, then, pressed Ctrl+Z to revert it. When the figure came back, the issue was fixed!

 

crosswind

Dartanbeck said:

crosswind said:

Yep, I got it ~ I'm now reading the PDF that Mada shared and try what you suggested. It's getting better and better . Nice ! Thank you very much !

太棒了，我的朋友！！！

哈哈，谢谢你，老兄！ 我从来没搞过3DL和Filament，所以一头雾水，但是上手很快，哈哈！太棒了！

Hylas

Yikes, the learning curve Looks like I'm gonna be thrashing about a bunch before getting anything close to the Vicky 9 promo renders. Hair is going to be a problem. Eyes are going to be a problem. But ok, it's a start.

G8.1M
100% Kota, 30% The Brute, 10% Toon Hero (Head)
Skin: Kota

Is there a way to get a sky in Filament other than a billboard/cyclorama?

crosswind

Daneel said:

So if I understand correctly:
Engine - viewport / Filament
Filament Draw Options where I can play with the settings.
 

Yeah, that's right ! Nice ! And also give her some shadows, for instance, by setting Deep Shadow Map in DistantLight > Shadow Type.

Edit: Hmm... I still don't like harsh shadow ~~ too iray mind-set, haha ~ Post-work might be needed.

Daneel

Wow, thank you! I will continue tomorrow... 10:20 pm here. :) But I see there is big possibilities. :)

Zicon

The new FilaToon shaders is one of the best things to ever happen to Daz Studio. Just look at my boy Taren! Look how cute he is!

[ view in daz gallery | view full version ]

Dartanbeck

Oh... and turning "Generate Texture Mipmaps" off in Filament can be very helpful as well if things aren't looking the way you need them to

Artini

All looks great and Zicon image is amazing.

 

Dartanbeck

rokkr said:

Dartanbeck said:

rokkr said:

Am I doing something wrong or geografts don't work with this new shader?

Select the geografted item

1. Go to Surfaces pane
2. Open the hierarchy to expose all of the materials
3. Select all materials except for those that must remain transparent
4. Go to Shader Presets > Filatoon > Presets and apply a preset

Pardon my ignorance, but is this hierarchy the ">" that shows all the surfaces? Well... I did that and, even if I copy the exact shader from the surface it is, it looks different, like it has a gloss...

Thanks for the answer. I've felt kinda honored because I love your work and that girl character you created. I even bought Carrara just because I saw the animations you've made on it (though I'm still clueless about how to use it).

EDIT: wanna know the crazy thing? I've fixed it by accident... I deleted my figure by mistake and, then, pressed Ctrl+Z to revert it. When the figure came back, the issue was fixed!

Wow!

Dartanbeck

crosswind said:

Dartanbeck said:

crosswind said:

Yep, I got it ~ I'm now reading the PDF that Mada shared and try what you suggested. It's getting better and better . Nice ! Thank you very much !

太棒了，我的朋友！！！

哈哈，谢谢你，老兄！ 我从来没搞过3DL和Filament，所以一头雾水，但是上手很快，哈哈！太棒了！

Dartanbeck

Now Confirmed!!! Cutout Opacity Maps Work!!!

At least they do along with the 'Constant' preset from the FilaToon Shader Presets!

I selected the eyelashes, selcted just the materials for the lashes (not the Eye Moisture) and applied the Constant preset. Then went to the cutout opacity of the resulting shader, and put the map back in. Boom!

Dartanbeck

rokkr said:

Dartanbeck said:

rokkr said:

Am I doing something wrong or geografts don't work with this new shader?

Select the geografted item

1. Go to Surfaces pane
2. Open the hierarchy to expose all of the materials
3. Select all materials except for those that must remain transparent
4. Go to Shader Presets > Filatoon > Presets and apply a preset

Pardon my ignorance, but is this hierarchy the ">" that shows all the surfaces? Well... I did that and, even if I copy the exact shader from the surface it is, it looks different, like it has a gloss...

Thanks for the answer. I've felt kinda honored because I love your work and that girl character you created. I even bought Carrara just because I saw the animations you've made on it (though I'm still clueless about how to use it).

EDIT: wanna know the crazy thing? I've fixed it by accident... I deleted my figure by mistake and, then, pressed Ctrl+Z to revert it. When the figure came back, the issue was fixed!

Hey, Thanks for the wonderful compliments! I really appreciate that! 

Gordig

midgard229 said:

TesseractSpace said:

Yeah, some kind of scene-wide shader conversion script would help a lot. Hopefully one is in the works.

You can use the general shader like a normal shader. Select multiple surfaces then apply. General toon shader and it should work. Sometimes it will miss some items and you have to reslect them and try again. Overall it works almost on anything that is an actual mesh, just nothing like vdb or opacity maps 

Which is exactly why having a scene-wide shader conversion script would be helpful. My first experiment was with Urban Future 7, which has a LOT of different objects nested within each other, making a LOT of different surfaces to have to select and apply the shader.

TesseractSpace

Gordig said:

midgard229 said:

TesseractSpace said:

Yeah, some kind of scene-wide shader conversion script would help a lot. Hopefully one is in the works.

You can use the general shader like a normal shader. Select multiple surfaces then apply. General toon shader and it should work. Sometimes it will miss some items and you have to reslect them and try again. Overall it works almost on anything that is an actual mesh, just nothing like vdb or opacity maps 

Which is exactly why having a scene-wide shader conversion script would be helpful. My first experiment was with Urban Future 7, which has a LOT of different objects nested within each other, making a LOT of different surfaces to have to select and apply the shader.

Something like the RSSY 3delight / Iray to Filament converter would be amazingly handy for getting started with a scene

Dartanbeck

Here's how I do it:

1. Select the uppermost hierarchy
2. Hamburger Menu (Scene pane) > Select > Select Children - now All surfaces are available
3. Open all groups in the Surface Tab
4. Select all materials
5. Look for anything that might be glass and deselect that
6. Apply the FilaToon General Shader - or whichever preset you prefer

 

For setting the outlines, I click on whatever I want to accentuate and find its Toon Outline shell in the hierarchy in the Scene pane. All things capable of getting a Toon Outline will already have one - so I noly do this for things that I really want a darker outline on. Doing just a few often makes the whole scene look Awesome

Dartanbeck

Dartanbeck said:

Here's how I do it:

1. Select the uppermost hierarchy
2. Hamburger Menu (Scene pane) > Select > Select Children - now All surfaces are available
3. Open all groups in the Surface Tab
4. Select all materials
5. Look for anything that might be glass and deselect that
6. Apply the FilaToon General Shader - or whichever preset you prefer

 

For setting the outlines, I click on whatever I want to accentuate and find its Toon Outline shell in the hierarchy in the Scene pane. All things capable of getting a Toon Outline will already have one - so I noly do this for things that I really want a darker outline on. Doing just a few often makes the whole scene look Awesome

When I do this, I start at the bottom and work my way upwards. Makes it easier for me to see that I get them all - but that's me

Wonderland

There is an icon for basic filatoon environment. I clicked on that first and then added the toon base and everything was preset for filatoon. You don't have to click create. The set does it automatically. It's starts with some distant lights already and the camera headlamp on my usual camera was off so it comes pre-lit with a flat lighting system. 

Some of my experiments. I still need to work on lighting because they come out really flat even after adding some colored rim lighting.

rokkr

Wonderland said:

There is an icon for basic filatoon environment. I clicked on that first and then added the toon base and everything was preset for filatoon. You don't have to click create. The set does it automatically. It's starts with some distant lights already and the camera headlamp on my usual camera was off so it comes pre-lit with a flat lighting system. 

Some of my experiments. I still need to work on lighting because they come out really flat even after adding some colored rim lighting.

 

Cool! Where is it? I was looking for some template and couldn't find it.

crosswind

Dartanbeck said:

Now Confirmed!!! Cutout Opacity Maps Work!!!

At least they do along with the 'Constant' preset from the FilaToon Shader Presets!

I selected the eyelashes, selcted just the materials for the lashes (not the Eye Moisture) and applied the Constant preset. Then went to the cutout opacity of the resulting shader, and put the map back in. Boom!

Gooooooood! will try !

nonesuch00

This is awesome, although I'm still buying Vicky 4.

Wonderland

rokkr said:

Wonderland said:

There is an icon for basic filatoon environment. I clicked on that first and then added the toon base and everything was preset for filatoon. You don't have to click create. The set does it automatically. It's starts with some distant lights already and the camera headlamp on my usual camera was off so it comes pre-lit with a flat lighting system. 

Some of my experiments. I still need to work on lighting because they come out really flat even after adding some colored rim lighting.

 

Cool! Where is it? I was looking for some template and couldn't find it.

It's in the same folder as the G9 characters in the content library. I couldn't find the product at all in smart content but it's in the content library.

Muscleman

:)

crosswind

...

Cool! Where is it? I was looking for some template and couldn't find it.

Templates are all in the Default Resources for DAZ Studio. Filament env. light preset is in G9 Starter Essentials.

Dartanbeck

Very Nice Stuff!

 

Just an FYI - earlier (or it may have been the other thread) I mentioned that Trans maps do work - at least on the "Constant" preset. That's the one I tried - it worked so I just kept working.

Now, the reason I did that was to try the FilaToon shader on the eyelashes of Genesis 8.

Well, it turned out looking a Lot better using MMX's Genesis 9 for All clone and just fit the Anime eyelashed to Genesis 8 - It freaking Worked!!!

 

We cannot change styles by using presets once we've fit them to a non-Genesis 9 figure base. However, there's only one map in the entire shader. Ckick that, hit Browse, grab the style you like.

ainm.sloinneadh

Been playing about with applying the new shaders to some of my existing G9 characters and keeping some of their original textures somewhere in the mix. Not sure this is the best use for the new updates, but I'm having fun and learning a lot about how the new shaders work and can look in other applications. Had to use Toulouse Hair because other thread.

Not a YouTuber and never tried embedding a video here, so hopefully this works.

I tend to put a lot of work into attempting to create ordinary-looking character meshes at the other end of the spectrum of where these new shaders and character meshes naturally sit. Still, I think it looks 'interesting' to blend those character and their textures with the new shader, even if it's not something I'd necessarily wish to pursue further. You can see the original character - Arawi - in the thumbnail below.

 

Gordig

I think I'm starting to get it.