CB Anhe HD use restrictions REMOVED LOL

SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,309
edited January 2023 in The Commons

It has already been mentioned in the Editorial Use thread, but it's worth highlighting specifically that CB Anhe HD for Genesis 9 isn't the kind of girl who's up for just anything.  In fact, unless you have a really good fair use reason, you can't really take her anywhere.

I can't for the life of me figure out what's so special about the character that would justifiy the restrictions.  Maybe she has very protective brothers?

So this turns out to have been an oopsie.  

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  • cridgitcridgit Posts: 1,757

    I hadn't noticed, thank you. Whoops! She fell out out of the cart. A $5 character isn't worth me trying to keep track individually of every different license I have for my 6000 DAZ products.

    Best of luck to the PA.

     

  • SofaCitizenSofaCitizen Posts: 1,951

    Is she a recreation of a real-life person? That's the only reason I can think why it would be sold under that licence.

  • Matt_CastleMatt_Castle Posts: 2,644

    Sevrin said:

    In fact, unless you have a really good fair use reason, you can't really take her anywhere.

    It's potentially more restrictive than standard Fair Use (and this is proper Fair Use, not "people on Youtube thinking that anything they don't make money out of is Fair Use"), depending on whether you interpret their "editorial, non-commercial purpose" clause as a poor explanation of Fair Use (Fair Use can be commercial, otherwise it would restrict many of the intended cases like news reporting, education and research, which are often for-profit), or as an additional stipulation of their licence specifically.

  • TomhipTomhip Posts: 431

    Where exacly can you find what license item has? Cannto see anything on product page and readme?

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,309

  • SofaCitizenSofaCitizen Posts: 1,951

    Tomhip said:

    Where exacly can you find what license item has? Cannto see anything on product page and readme?

     Unless it's been changed recently, the licence does not show on mobile devices or if you have Daz Deals installed and the option to hide additional licences is enabled.

    Screenshot of what you should be able to see is below.

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  • TomhipTomhip Posts: 431

    Yeah I have Daz deals so its not showing on my screen. Thanks for info.

  • SofaCitizenSofaCitizen Posts: 1,951

    Tomhip said:

    Yeah I have Daz deals so its not showing on my screen. Thanks for info.

    I have Daz Deals too - it's just the "Hide "Optional License Add-Ons" section on product pages" that must be unchecked to see this.  Obviously if you uncheck this then you'll also see the sections for printing and interactive addons too. Hopefully, when the developer is back, they will update the plugin to not include that section under this setting.

  • Thanks for the warning.

  • SofaCitizen said:

    Is she a recreation of a real-life person? That's the only reason I can think why it would be sold under that licence.

    Oof, yeah.  With those restrictions, why bother? 

  • SofaCitizenSofaCitizen Posts: 1,951

    Gator said:

    Oof, yeah.  With those restrictions, why bother? 

    Fan art I guess? If she is popular in some circles then I can imagine some people may want to produce their own art to share with that community and not be worried about anything commerical.

    I don't recognise her but then I don't recognise a lot of famous people these days so that doesn't say much.

  • evacynevacyn Posts: 975
    Thanks for the heads up, Sevrin. Avoiding this one like the plague. I'd love to hear what makes her so special. BTW I also think the license should appear first in the item description so that it's crystal clear to everyone what they're getting.
  • Matt_CastleMatt_Castle Posts: 2,644
    edited January 2023

    evacyn said:

    BTW I also think the license should appear first in the item description so that it's crystal clear to everyone what they're getting.

     Personally, I think it should be obvious from the store thumbnail.

    They're running deals where you have to buy a new release to get the better discounts, and she's the cheapest release by a large margin. People are just going to throw her in the cart without ever even checking the product page.

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  • SofaCitizen said:

    Gator said:

    Oof, yeah.  With those restrictions, why bother? 

    Fan art I guess? If she is popular in some circles then I can imagine some people may want to produce their own art to share with that community and not be worried about anything commerical.

    You have to be careful with that too. If you are pulling more visitors to your site because that fan art is displayed and there is any sort of monetization associated with the site, that could be interpreted as 'commercial use'. Same thing if you submit your work in a fan art contest that has any sort of prizes. As mentioned previously, Daz's editorial licence terms are very vague, so buyer beware.

  • evacynevacyn Posts: 975

    evacyn said:

    BTW I also think the license should appear first in the item description so that it's crystal clear to everyone what they're getting.

     Personally, I think it should be obvious from the store thumbnail.

    They're running deals where you have to buy a new release to get the better discounts, and she's the cheapest release by a large margin. People are just going to throw her in the cart without ever even checking the product page.

    Good point. I've actually done that on a lot of past Daz sales (throw the item in the cart without checking). Maybe an option could be having the add to cart button greyed out until the person selects a checkbox that says they understand the restrictions?
  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,309

    Daz could just add a tag for this kind of special licence that would be displayed with the others, along with the DO, generation and asset-type tags.

    Originally I thought this editorial licence thing would be for (near-)universally recognizable copyrighted assets, and not for random figures, that, if you squint, bear some resemblance to someone a character few people might remember.

  • ioonrxoonioonrxoon Posts: 894

    Matt_Castle said:

     Personally, I think it should be obvious from the store thumbnail.

    They're running deals where you have to buy a new release to get the better discounts, and she's the cheapest release by a large margin. People are just going to throw her in the cart without ever even checking the product page.

    That's precisely what I did. I don't really care, since I only got it for the other discouts this time and I wasn't planning on installing it anyway, but if nobody posted on the forum, I would have had no idea. And if I ended up adding it to my library, it would have been a problem.

    This simply must not happen, but it looks like daz cound't care less.

  • BTW, thank you Sevrin for starting this thread. yes  I don't visit the Editorial Use Thread so I appreciate attention being brought to these products being specifically.

  • SofaCitizenSofaCitizen Posts: 1,951

    ColinFrench said:

    SofaCitizen said:

    Gator said:

    Oof, yeah.  With those restrictions, why bother? 

    Fan art I guess? If she is popular in some circles then I can imagine some people may want to produce their own art to share with that community and not be worried about anything commerical.

    You have to be careful with that too. If you are pulling more visitors to your site because that fan art is displayed and there is any sort of monetization associated with the site, that could be interpreted as 'commercial use'. Same thing if you submit your work in a fan art contest that has any sort of prizes. As mentioned previously, Daz's editorial licence terms are very vague, so buyer beware.

    Yes, sorry, I should have clarified that by "sharing fan-art with the community" I was thinking about posting the images in a forum/discord for said community to look at wtihin that context. Or for something like Critical Role were they welcome viewers to submit fan art to them and then they display some during the half-time break in their Twitch/YouTube shows.

    For anything that could be considered fan-art I would also advise against using it for anything that could be considered commercial or otherwise result in payment even if the asset was not explicitly licenced with an editorial licence. It's just not worth the risk.

  • Matt_Castle said:

    evacyn said:

    BTW I also think the license should appear first in the item description so that it's crystal clear to everyone what they're getting.

     Personally, I think it should be obvious from the store thumbnail.

    They're running deals where you have to buy a new release to get the better discounts, and she's the cheapest release by a large margin. People are just going to throw her in the cart without ever even checking the product page.

    Yeah. When I review the sale pages, I'll often drop a good deal into my cart without going to the full store page. I guess I need to break that habit. This license restriction needs to be obvious on the thumbnail... they could use a little banner like the "New" or "Sale" flags that they put at the top. Just label it "EL" or something. But yeah, she's right out of my cart. Too much hassle to keep up with Editorial Licenses. 

  • aww crap I didn't look at her actual page I just bought straight from the sales page without looking because she was cheap just over $3 didn't buy anything else of install her yet so refund time 

  • evacynevacyn Posts: 975

    @Sevrin - this whole thread had me flash back to that Rarestone/Ravenstone character that had similar restrictions (I think in that case the character was based on a real person). I noticed you in the thread that you said you posted on the Rendo forums about it (https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/529541/rarestone-new-character-indentification-thread/p2) - did you get an answer?

  • got to remember no matter what the product is don't impulse buy from sales page because it could be a trap

  • ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    got to remember no matter what the product is don't impulse buy from sales page because it could be a trap

     

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  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,363
    Thanks for the heads up. For me, I'm not going to buy a product with those restrictions. I get the occasional commission, have done some book covers and have a Patreon. I'm not going to take the chance that I might use something I didn't have the rights to use.
  • mwokeemwokee Posts: 1,275
    edited January 2023
    The only reason why I'm here is to purchase assets in order to create and sell 2D art commercially. No sale for you, Daz.
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  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,309

    evacyn said:

    @Sevrin - this whole thread had me flash back to that Rarestone/Ravenstone character that had similar restrictions (I think in that case the character was based on a real person). I noticed you in the thread that you said you posted on the Rendo forums about it (https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/529541/rarestone-new-character-indentification-thread/p2) - did you get an answer?

    The item was pulled and then put back up for sale with standard license terms.  And now the store is shut down because R*stone hasn't been heard from in months.  They're in HK and I hope everything is okay on their side. 

  • Without knowing what exactly makes this figure fall into the Editorial license it's far much too risky to buy. Maybe it's the face, maybe it's the makeup, hells know. Not safe enough even for dismantling the character and using the assets for kitbashing.

  • Looks like it was set in error, so it's being rectified now.

  • Daz Jack Tomalin said:

    Looks like it was set in error, so it's being rectified now.

    Thanks for letting us know! I'll be picking the character up then if the license is the regular one. 

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