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Macs use Intel too - for a twelve (real) core system you need a dual CPU motherboard with two hex core processors. Which would be more than twice as far beyond my budget as a single hex core processor.
Macs use Intel too - for a twelve (real) core system you need a dual CPU motherboard with two hex core processors. Which would be more than twice as far beyond my budget as a single hex core processor.
And Macs uses Xeons for the Pro machines and i-series for the consumer machines.
Me too. My firm never paid even half of my computers while I was working. ~sheesh~
I just wish I had the nerve to build my own. That would certainly save me some money.
I tried to build my own some years back...spent £1000.00 and got a turkey...I think one of the components was faulty and didn't have the knowledge to figure it out. So now I buy pre-built.
There are still places that will build from your spex, you just pick from the hardware they carry and they do the Custom build for you. That is what I used. They even run the new PC in stress mode for a week of up time to test if anything shows a fault. I'm very happy with Frankie and her performance. My next build will be a dual Mother Board with with Hex cores, if the money is there I might try the Xeon CPU's in it.
yeah that is what I wanted but couldn't afford too but I am planning my next one be just that and I have a place in mind.
If your in to really detailed customization here is the place I use and suggested Jaderail use. Excellent service and support. We've bought 2 computers from there already and a 3rd in the plans. http://www.computerlx.com/products.aspx?category_ID=138. You pick a base that you want and then customize from there. You get to pick the brand and everything
Nice if you are in the States...I prefer someone in the UK and better still close by.
I still swear by http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/
I did use ComputerLX very good service. With their shipping options and testing of the systems I would highly suggest all check them out even if your over the pond or such. They even worked with me on my CC limit to get my order paid... You can not beat a service that will CALL you on the phone and ask you questions just to make sure your not spending more money than is needed to reach your goals,
Yeah they are a US company. Not sure if they ship international or not.
Give them a Call IF you plan to invest a LARGE amount of cash in a PC. It might be worth the cost.
I'm not sure if they can build international standards or not. I know the poser is different in the UK than the US
Have you seen the shipping charges from the US to here? And I seem to remember that your shipping company had to have 2 goes at getting your puta to you Jade, what chance has Pete got over this side of the pond :coolsmirk:
Very sad, but go figure the plane that your new PC was on went down in town. That's my kind of luck
Ohhhh, thanks Frank!! I was thinking of calling NewEgg to see if they would do it, as that's where I have bought replacement components and have always been happy with what I've gotten. I'm definitely going to bookmark these folks and check it out. :coolsmile:
They are very reasonably priced. I couldn't build the same system I have for the money I paid for it at the time. The price for them to build it was $55 more than what it would've cost me to build it. I obviously chose for them to build it cause at least with them doing it I have a warranty and support.
That's who I got my laptop from - they did a nice job, even if it took a while for the beastie to arrive :)
They did really nice on her machine. I think she has gotten a couple from them. She's happy and that's all that counts
I do prefer to buy locally as if something goes wrong they can fix it and if they don't I can throw the thing through their window. :)
I do prefer to buy locally as if something goes wrong they can fix it and if they don't I can throw the thing through their window. :)Now there is a idea. Not sure I could toss Frankie very far, she is a MONSTER in more ways than just power. I still like that Idea though.
I have a friend who sent a custom built server with special telephone cards with a shipping company to a small Caribbean island from Sweden. He flew himself to the same location and waited , and waited, and waited for days at the clients office, no machine. After three days he took a taxi to the other side of the island where the courier company had it's base. Found two guys sitting outside a burnt down building, smoking weed. "Burnt down, no phone!".
Last time he books a ticket before the shipment is checked in at the clients location.
was it burnt down from a discarded joint. :)
Jad I am not sure I could throw mine through a window but I would give it a shot if it came down to it. :)
Ok so in the intervening months since I originally posted this thread I've scraped together the money to buy an i7 4790 cpu, which amazon say will be delivered on the 2nd of July
But....
After browsing my own thread I realised I forgot to ask the most important (for me) question....will twice the number of cores (plus a slightly faster clock speed) equal twice as fast renders?
The only benchmark I could find for comparison with my current i3 4130 says I should expect 95% faster rendering...but that benchmark is for C4D not 3Delight.
Should I lower my expectations?
I'm Running an i7 Hex core Hyper Threaded. I do see a big improvement in my Render speeds with all 12 cores cooking. But I do wish to point this out to you as it has already happened to me, once you get used to the new speed it will start to seem slow to you as well. I was shocked when I booted up my old PC and used it not long ago, it is an i7 Quad and SLOW compared to my new one. I now see the difference again and Still want faster renders on this new one.
Well yes I know people using multiple Titan graphics cards for rendering and they aren't satisfied with their current speed either, guess its the nature of rendering in that we always want faster.
I don't mind waiting a few hours for a still image to render (I'm no stranger to overnight renders), but my primary focus is animation. At the moment I can render (for animation) a decent looking character with an ultra basic background @1280x720 at around 4-6 minutes per frame. If I add things like ray-tracing and ambient occlusion for hair, or a semi detailed background that time per frame goes up to 9-15 minutes.
I'm happy with the current look I can achieve but I'm really hoping to cut those current times by almost half with the new cpu which is why I asked the previous question. But of course as you said after a couple of weeks/months I'll be thinking "this is so slow!"
I Also built this PC for Animation. There are some short cuts to really help frame Render speeds.
First always stick to a industry standard frame aspect ratio, I prefer the Standard 16x9 HD at 1280x720 this gives good quality at full HD size.
Second use as many Standard DAZ Studio lights as you can in your Scenes, this prevents the Shader based light render times. UBER anything is a shader based Light and will add much time to each render. If I use Shader based lights now I use the AoA Advanced lights.
In your Render Settings watch the Shading Rate setting it only controls depth of Glass type items and does not need to be raised above the default unless you have reflections in the scene.
All items in the Scene will get Shadow calculations for lighting, if items are not seen in frame and do not cast a shadow or get reflected turn them off or just delete them from the scene.
And last of course is the final render settings, I have found that working with a lower than The best I can use setting does the job most of the time, its the motion that captures the eyes most of the time. Deciding what is good enough is of course a personal thing.
It also helps to learn things like Green Screen and use a editor that supports it. I often render my Backgrounds at a lower quality as a Over sized single frame image and add that in behind the action in my editor. Layers like this can be moved on there own in a good editor and add to that pro look we try for.
I hope some of this helps. I'm in the first minuets of a full 30 min long animation project at this time and have started over from scratch about 7 times so far. The more I learn the more I wish to go back and Fix. I expect to finish in about a year.
Ok, after installing the new cpu last week I'm pleased to say it has greatly exceeded my expectations.
A frame that would've taken my old cpu 5.30 minutes takes this cpu 2 minutes flat. I used to be lucky to get 120 samples per hour rendering in Luxrender, now I get 450 to 500!!! I don't know how this increase is possible, but I love it!
But in relation to the very good advice you gave above Jaderail. My animation work is "adult" in nature, in that genre people expect to see a certain level of realism (I'm aware of the contradiction) so using UBER everything is kind of necessary as far as I know) to give my work what basic daz lights won't., namely that extra bit of realism.
I do try and reduce rendertimes by using the best textures I have and tweaking the uber and final render settings down to the minimum I can, but there's a limit to how low I can push that before things get ugly (usually that point is when the shadows start becoming dots rather than solid, which as you know in animation will look a bit like static)
But theres some tips in your answer that I'll definitely look into