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I can't believe someone said this wasn't an improvement over the old one?
Daz BC2 on top/left and HW Leopard on bottom/right. Only change I did was to make them the same size and changed the default pose so the tail was up, and right leg was raised (and on the HW cat I extended the claws on the right paw because I could easily do that). (3Delight render, no lights except headlamp)
Edited to add: I also made them both growl to show the teeth.
Talking about teeth... heads up for the DAZ Big Cat 2 mouth. It has some weird texture setup (for all its skins) that doesn't work with Iray at all. Conversion won't work, as it's not recognized. I have reported this to Helpdesk and they said it worked fine in 3DL. Yeah, I know that much.
I have asked if it's possible to at least give the mouth the STANDARD texture setup. Not sure if they are going to do anything about it, but I thought I'd just post the info here.
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I will let Alessandro speak for his plans when he feels the time is right. He will do what is right for him, and he has the experience to know what will and won't sell -- he has sold content at pretty much all venues over the years.
For the record, I have no part in the work that Alessandro is doing for these new models. They're his babies. So, other than him being my very good friend, I have no stake in it nor any meaningful input. Besides, my strength is in "engineered" models and physical simulations, I completely stink at doing non-parametric organics and would just be in his way.
Kendall
I'm only buying one house cat and dog so wonder who will produce it first? At any rate guess we'll see.
I will also likely buy just one of each, and it is likely to be the one with the real looking fur. The Hivewire big cat looks nice, but very flat without any proper fur.
The HW Big Cat. :)
The old "Black Cat on Black Ground" problem...
Very nice render, though.
A panther is a panther and it's black. ;)
Yes, and as such, it's incredibly hard to render it properly. The black color sucks up all details. I think they solved it pretty well by giving the HW panther a not-quite-black fur, but one that is a bit lighter, and reacts better to light.
I think for big cats many don't have long coats so I like the sleek look of hive wire cat. In general I'm not hugely into too much fiber mesh hair.
While the new big cat model in itself is obviously relevant to this discussion, the thread isn't a showcase for it - please keep the discussion focussed on the need or desire for new figures, which can certainly include critical comparisons.
What I did to do Iray versions of Daz Cat 2 is copy the settings for an Iray human figure's mouth, and then swap texture maps.
HI Rae, nice to see you here hon!
It's easy to fix just need to lighten up the BG!
Nice one !!! Dreamlight's lighting effects for Stonemason's Forest should fix that problem and show that bad boy off.
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Well, I went ahead and grabbed the new Hivewire cat, even though I'm not sure when I'll use it. I could use a new domestic kitty more,
And if we're wishlisting, in addition to a new domestic size cat...
I want an otter. North American River otter, to be very specific. :)
And not that ... poor thing that CP had.
When I can get my hands on one of those (and it will also depend on timing. If it comes out right after something expensive and awesome, or just when I've had something non 3D to get, it may have to wait) I'll be very happy. :)
While probably not exactly what you're looking for, I know someone who is looking to do Emily Otterton, the twin sister of Emmett.
Kendall
Hi RAM :D
We used to have a Water Otter when my kids were young, his name was Ollie and he lived in a cupboard in their bedroom. We put a notice on the door "Please do not open this door, as the water otter may escape."
Ah sorry was not sure of what was proper protocol. Consider it done!
The hivewire cat has a great set of choppers-beautiful roar and growl poses come with it. Lion said to be coming soon...hopefully not Daz soon....
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Yep - the Hivewire Big cat is out..and what a beauty it is. I'm pretty sure the domestic cat and dog, when they arrive will be equally as impressive. Here's my quick and dirty render of the bigcat.( Poser 11 with firefly render)
This is not the advertisement thread for the HW cat. This was stated earlier by a mod, and unless you do proper comparision, this thread might be closed down.
Also, the HW cat/horse/dog-whatever is just of limited use to me, i.e. in regards to supporting poses interaction with "people", which are almost exclusively Dusk/Dawn, and only rarely any form of Genesis, or even M4/V4. Learned that the hard way with the HW Harry Horse and its accessories. And I doubt it will be any different with the HW cat and dog.
Hi BeeMkay,
I use both Dawn and Genesis...just thought it worthwhile to mention for people who don't know that Genesis 1 and 2 poses work on Dawn and Dusk as I've been using them for a while. The same works in reverse you can use Dawn poses on Gen2 female. Here is a shot of harry and gen2 female using Don Alberts huntress pose. I have even converted them to Genesis 3 using the pose converter script.
The space between the figure and the horse is most likely meant for the saddle. Sorry if this is off topic...
I love the big cat's release and thanks to all the people who have posted renders. It's great to see. I won't post my one render I've done as I don't want to do the wrong thing...
Pendraia,
unfortunately, they don't fit very well, and you have to do a lot of adjustments. Here's an example of G2M and G1 using Dusk poses, with the tack and bridle adjusted for Dusk. The angles are not right, and the distances don't fit. Yes, you can adjust, but it isn't just minor.
Don't get me wrong, I really like the shapes of the HW animals, but it's a fact they don't play together well with DAZ's Genesis.
EDIT: I am not referring to the gap for the shoes, but mostly the leg position and the arms&hands position.
The MilCat and MilDog - full versions - are going to be a tough act to follow. And the fact that something like over a decade after release they are *still* the major cat and dog models in use, pretty much says it all. There was nothing stopping other artists from building a dog or cat and offering it for sale in that decade+. Nothing, that is, except the fact that they were going head-to-head with the MilCat or MilDog, and evidently decided that they couldn't compete.
For that matter, there *have* been at least a couple of wholey unrelated, 3rd-party pet-class animals turn up in the Poserverse. That Boston Terrier model, for example. There's also a product called something like Mr Puggles. There may be a couple of cats as well. But you have to hunt for them, because they don't have a major company behind them.
I don't think that we are ever likely to see *any* vendor hold back a product until it has the same volume of breed morphs and textures that came with the MilCat and MilDog. Today's marketing just doesn't do that. When the DAZ Big Cat2 came out it had some basic breeds, yes, it also had PA add-ons to fill some of the gaps. The current paradigm seems to be either a team release like the DAZ Horse 2 or Big Cat 2, where the base model is released, with at least a few morph options, and a group of PAs bring out additional add-ons of morphs, textures, and tack, if applicable, Or the Hivewire/AM model where the base character is released when it is ready, and additional morphs come out later (like the wolf/husky or elephant/mamoth releases).
And one advantage to the later paradigm is that it would seem to me that nothing much would prevent a 3rd-party from creating a commercial morph/texture set built from that base, any more than there is anything but the requsite skill standing between any 3rd-party and creating a commercial morph/texture set for V4, or any of the Genesises. They need to be specific about what base the morph is built for, and whether there are additional add-ons required for it to work, and whatever company handles it really ought to have someone available who is familiar enough with that base to do competent QA. But the time is coming where there is going to be no absolute requirement for every animal model out there to be an independent standalone.
We aren't in the habit of thinking about it like that. The MilCat and MilDog bundles were so "complete" that even people who are competent modelers probably never thought of rolling their own. So most of us sit and grouse that there isn't a specific breed that we have a need for. But remember, there have always been a few gifted amateurs who have offered freebie morphs and textures for the various bases which turn up in a LOT of renders.