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Still too expensive.
Yeh but this is quite a change that Daz is trying to force down their customer's throats; as it is, folks can find themselves having bought into it completely unaware; the first time they notice is when they have a problem.
... With DRM, sooner or later, there are problems.
But still misleading, Richard. I'm not trying to claim the intent is to mislead for some nefarious purpose; DRM has enough negative connotations that the term makes customers wary; this should really say something to those making decissions.
Content not available through Connect, has parts encrypted; that encrypted part will never be an issue. Enrypted content that has a DRM component can, and the experience of many says it will, have issues.
And also the first non-DO encrypted release. If it is an error or not, we no doubt will discover.
Its not an error. They are encrypted only.
And thank you Will.
This is disappointing, to be honest. Most folks know (or should, at least) that at least one person is a legitimate buyer before others can download it illegally. All the encrypting is going to do is slow down how quickly this shows up on the torrent sites. Do let us know if you get a bunch of sales, though. :)
The problem isn't just DRM. It's applying it on content creation material. DRM on a game is still bad, but once you complete the game, it's over. You don't need the game anymore. With content creation or anything you use a lot (as was the case with music in the 80's), you get into a scenario where it's possible you no longer have access to the original. In the past, it was physical media degradation. Today, it's if something changes on your machine and you don't have access to the Internet at that time or are on a secure network where you don't want access to the outside on the machines where you're actively doing work. It's just not worth the hassle. DRM WILL cost you money if you use it.
Okay. Well, thanks for confirming it. It's an excellent set, and I understand that you want to protect your hard work.
I'll probably buy it once it comes out of DRM in a year's time.
You're welcome.
Out of curiosity, and I dont mean to take this thread off topic in anyway but what is it about the encryption that makes anyone here not want to use it? If its the inability to organize it your way, you can create the link files in DS 4.9.2.x and place them where you want. That to me is an intelligent move cause you could have an entire "library" of link files in one place organized your way while all the content is elsewhere. And its ONLY the content you buy encrypted thats encrypted. It will not effect anything else. And whether its encrypted or not, the product is still the same. Anyways, just curious
In my case - my local access is dial-up and I can get connected well enough to get the authentication key into Studio - but I have yet to manage to download any metadata even, I just get timeouts. So I need to download the connect offline installer package at a wifi hotspot, bring it home, and copy to my main system. Which works quite nicely. BUT - I can't get an answer to two key questions: 1) will the off-line connect packages get rebuilt for any and all updates, and 2) how will I know they've been updated? Without answers to those I'm back in the old pre-DIM days of never knowing if something has been updated.
For a start, I have bad experiences with encrypted content not functioning elsewhere (once burned...).
My main objection, apart from a small matter of principle (which is not wholly consistent, since I do buy locked to license Vue content at C'copia *shrug*), is indeed the inability to organise content the way I want (for example, your car wouldn't have been in 'Vehicles', but I'd have put it in 'Props - Transport - Cars'). I like tidy diskspace, organised in a way that developed over ten years or so and that works for me, and the link files do not solve that problem, in fact they make it worse (adding a whole bunch of files just to do something that I can already do? *shudder*).
They're just my personal objections, and ymmv.
Thank you for the information - the items are staying in the list of the first post.
For me - I don't like Daz Connect. Smart Content is useful as a day 1 user who doesn't know what any files are, but after that I'd rather organise them myself. Connect also has its own filesystem that would be okay if it wasn't hidden away in a bunch of numbered folders with no description. Why add an entirely new system with a whole new system of link files I have to create, when I already have a working system of self created Categories in my Content Library in 4.8? Why build an entirely new system instead of making the Categories system more user friendly and integrated?
4.9 (and its subsequent patches) has given me an option between multiple fancy bridges to cross a nonexistent road. I could deal with it as a separate section of content, but I don't want to, and none of the new content is life changing enough to put up with the awful system. Also, I don't want to have to download in the client itself; if the client is open it's generally because I'm rendering. I can open DIM and download at the same time if I want, but not Connect.
The encrypted part is okay for me since it's only a year and my internet is decent, but since it's locked into the Connect system...
Of course this is solely for myself and other people may feel other things and decide otherwise is this enough disclaimers okay good.
Besides principle, as said before this is a hobby for me so I'm not dependant on special products.
Stuff that I can't use when I want in whichever shape I want(and if it's just text editing a duf file :P) that can be taken away from me at a whim have no value to me, regardless of the fact that I may never use it in a way not available with DRM.
That's why I only buy at Gog and never use Steam ie.
I'll admit I've broken the rule once with Octane Render and I still feel meh about it.
Besides the only thing that DRM has ever done for the customers is bringing prices up, I'm looking at you PS4 and XBoxOne.
The encryption isn't a major issue with me, I just really love DIM because its a real time saver for installing content and is a great tool for locating where content is installed when its hard to find. I think putting the install function into DAZ Studio is a big drag esp. since its back to product by product installation. I use smart content only as a last resort. Every time I start up DAZ Studio it automatically re-imports about 3000 items and always finds the same 17 or so errors and takes about 4 minutes to complete. After that I try not to click on the smart content tab and everything goes okay. I really love the car especially those hot looking wheel designs (only negative is I didn't see any driver/rider poses in either product or addon)... but I may buy the product down the road.
Even without the DRM I wouldn't buy as I don't like the car; your implementation is very impressive.
It isn't the encryption; it is the DRM part of the equation. Encryption doesn't need DRM to work; DRM does need some form of encryption to lock out accounts that can't confirm they are legitimately allowed access.
DRM always causes issues; it's a matter of determining if the issues could be a problem to me; they could. The likelihood can be argued until the heat death of the universe, I avoid DRM. I don't knowingly buy products containing it. I return them if I find out in time.
With DRM it is a balance of deciding if you will loose more sales to legitimate customers, than the pirates who decide to buy it because they want it, and the protection prevents them from stealing it.
Because based on my past experiences with DRM, I exepct I will have problems with this. Because the idea of having e.g. $20,000 worth of DRM'd 3D content is crazy (granted, spending that much on 3D content is also crazy, but I digress). Because DAZ has mentioned the poison pill (to remove DRM if e.g. they go out of business), but I do not believe it has made it into legalese yet. Because DAZ has indicated in the formums that content will e DRM'd for a year then go DRM-free, but I do not beleive that has stated that in legalese yet (it's also painful to to track down the releasse date information).
Ahh i was tempted to buy Poser 11 on the 50% of price, so I figure it uses the same alway on DRM as Gamedev ?
Yes - at least "from time to time online and phoning home"
http://my.smithmicro.com/poser-pro-11-system-requirements.html
Sounds ... familiar ...
Standard multi-selection methods (shift-click to select a range, ctrl(Win)/cmd(Mac)-click to add or remove individual items) work in the Smart Content pane's products tab and in the Install pane.
Hehe
Thanks for the link! Poser Pro 2014 and Daz Studio 4.8 is good enough anyways for what I do.
Another problem people have mentioned is that it makes it very hard to make changes to content or use scripts to change content or to pass around fixes for content.
Errors should be reported to Daz so an official fix can be made.
Except old content, or stuff that Daz doesn't control, or vendors that have dropped out of touch, or...
Which has happened before.
I mean, there are a number of problems with content that's a few versions behind and either the vendor is unwilling or unable to fix it, or not around any more. If it wasn't for the ability for people to pass around fixes, that would be content sold in the store that doesn't work.
For me, it's not the encrypted part, though, I am one who has edited files using a text editor in order to hack a few files now and again-but it's not really a huge issue for me. No, I dislike Connect all around. I don't use the Smart Content and strongly disagree with installing a DB server on end user's machines. I want my machine to be as pristine as possible, and junking it up with various services isn't good for me and is lazy programming, in my opinion. There are other solutions out there, since it's not like you'll have multiple versions of DAZ Studio running and need an independent source for data lookups.
Connect is also wasteful in other ways. I am a mac user. As such, I don't have access to a decent nVidia solution so I have a windows computer which acts solely as a render machine. DAZ Encrypted connect items must be duplicated on both machines, which is wasteful. Also, the general approach for DAZ Studio to duplicate the entire runtime structure for every single item installed means hundreds of thousands of redundant directories are created if you have a few thousand products. Again, incredibly wasteful. This is neither good for the machine nor is it necessary.
Now, with all of that, I disliked Connect, but I was willing to give it a try way back when they were asking us to consider it. But, the link solution they offer to allowus to integrate connect based stuff into our file organization requires a lot more work than just dragging a directory to it's new home. With connect, I have to create links for each item, organize them into their respective subdirectories, etc. This is a waste of my time, so, after doing it for a single item, I decided that I would no longer consider anything DAZ Connect only a likely purchase. I have since made a single purchase unwittingly...but, thanks to this thread, I don't think it will happen again.
If DAZ moves to only selling Connect only content, I'll have to make a decision to change with them, or more likely, be highly selective of which content I tolerate the inconveniences for and spend most of my money elsewhere. If they truly address the problems with Connect, I'm open to switching, but I think many bad decisions have already been made and it is highly unlikely they will undo them just because they've lost a few customers.
Old content won't be encrypted, new content that is encrypted will cease to be encrypted after a year.
PostgreSQL does not run as a service, it runs only when DS or DIM (or Carrrara) are running.
With 4.9.2.70 there is a new "virtual" folder named Daz Connect under DAZ Studio Formats and Poser Formats which aggregates all of the Connect-installed content. You can use that as a way to browse a more file-based layout in its own right or you can right-click on a folder at any level in the hierarchy and create a hierarchically arranged set of tlinks for everything in that folder or that folder and its sub-folders in a location of your choice. No need for file-by-file drag-and-drop.
I can't help but be amused at the irony of the first full-priced non-DO encrypted / digital rights managed release at DAZ being a derivitive design extremely closely based on the (2012) Lamborghini Aventador.
Not saying the product isn't entirely above board, etc, but if I was Mr Launch at DAZ I'd have made the first big non-copyable release something truly original; something that wasn't actually, you know, a copy.
Anyways, the comedy fake name did make me think of Rama Lama (Lama Lama) Ding Dong, which leads us to some car-related light entertainment:
https://youtu.be/KStsPPgeka4
The encryption and the content was my choice, not Daz's. The first Amenazador was made in May 2013 followed by the Gallopngo in Sept 2013. So its not the first time I made an Aventador look-a-like. And what in the store is NOT copied from something else. Art imitates life.
I'm glad to hear that, because we were told in the past (after asking about 50 times) that PAs would not have a say in what was or wasn't encrypted.
I can see the new one has many more materials and features - does it use the same base model or did you completely remake it?
It is all brand new. Nothing from the first one went into the second one. The only thing that got "reused" was some photo references.