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Best choices for a 10,000 budget for content creator/render PC

ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,795
edited February 20 in The Commons

I have changed my mind three times on how to make best choices for a 10,000 budget for content creator/render PC, and it is driving me and my local guy nuts. He is a big time gamer and specializes in gaming PCs. I am into animation 3D and music. I am not into gaming ( the closest I came was guitar hero lol).

My current 2nd render PC is i9-9980XE CPU (18 cores 36 Threads) MEG X299 (MS7c06) 128GB RAM Dual RTX 2080ti (11GB and 4352 Cuda Cores each) and a NVLINK which works for me in DAZ Studio. I need something that can push out huge scenes with hairy characters galore. even thinking about two 3090tis with NVLink vs 4090s or 5090s. Been changing my mind for two solid months. Feel like ghosting myself. Any thoughts on rigs for content creators?

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  • NylonGirlNylonGirl Posts: 1,931
    I think the two 5090s might sell for $10,000 right now.
  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,795

    NylonGirl said:

    I think the two 5090s might sell for $10,000 right now.

    Rather expensive for fried 5090s. So not for me. Obviously that would be outside my budget. I need a Motherboard RAM and CPU too.
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,226
    edited 6:28AM

    ...I thought Nvida scrapped the idea of NVLink for the  4090 as PCIe 5 was considered fast enough. 

    Also as I understood, memory pooling was only possible with the pro series (Quadro) GPUs.. 

    Given that 4090s are triple slot and some even quad slot cards that would require a full tower case. just to have two

    Sources: Nvida forums and Tech Power Up (card size)

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,661

    Can you wait? 5090s may become more available (and so less price-gouged), and any real issues with the power delivery may be resolved, and the next major version of DS is required for 50x0s to work in Iray.

  • Daz Jack TomalinDaz Jack Tomalin Posts: 13,493

    Check PCpartpicker.. there's probably a few examples of decent machines around that budget.

  • OrangeFalconOrangeFalcon Posts: 510

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Can you wait? 5090s may become more available (and so less price-gouged), and any real issues with the power delivery may be resolved, and the next major version of DS is required for 50x0s to work in Iray.

    Indeed, I'm waiting too. I have an RTX 4070 that works just fine, and by the time we can use the 5090, I agree it'll become a lot less. Richard, is this situation putting the development of the legendary Daz 5.0 higher on the priority list?

  • Cam FoxCam Fox Posts: 88
    edited February 20

    I've tried the 4070 ti super and also the 4090. The 4090 is well worth the extra dollars if you do a lot of 3d rendering or ai work. Every minute saved waiting on slow hardware is a minute more for art, and it adds up.

    4090 may be the price/performance sweet spot now that 5090s are out, but use 5090s if you can afford (especially if you go with a single card) since the bigger memory will hold more textures (thus bigger scenes). Imo all the high end nvidia cards are currently overpriced due to strong demand. GPU is critical for 3d work, but don't neglect your cooling, CPU, RAM, and disk speeds/caches since those can all become bottlenecks too depending on your use case. And you'll want a PSU/household wiring able to safely power it all. :)

    My guess is you'll be hitting your budget quickly if you do a 5090, gaming motherboard, very efficient water cooling, four high end m.2 SSDs (recommend the latest samsnug pro evos and consider RAID config for parallel read/write), maximum supported capacity gaming RAM, a PSU able to power it all, and a snazzy full tower case. Might be worth it to liquid cool your GPU because it'll throttle itself and run slower if it gets hot under high load.

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  • Cam FoxCam Fox Posts: 88
    edited February 20

    I'll add that ai is a likely rabbit hole since there are tons of up and coming art tools, audio tools, 3d tools you can host locally, as well as local Large Language Models that can help with technical questions, prompts, etc. All the ai tools benefit from stronger CPU; the image and video ai's need GPU memory; and the LLMs need both GPU and RAM and in the current landscape more/newer is usually better. So if you're future proofing for that, aim for nvidia 4090 or 5090 GPU, intel CPU with large cache size, great cooling, and plenty of RAM.

    There's some really cool stuff you can do in Daz if you combine it with ai image generation. A light pass of ai would likely enhance your hair/fur renders.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,661

    OrangeFalcon said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Can you wait? 5090s may become more available (and so less price-gouged), and any real issues with the power delivery may be resolved, and the next major version of DS is required for 50x0s to work in Iray.

    Indeed, I'm waiting too. I have an RTX 4070 that works just fine, and by the time we can use the 5090, I agree it'll become a lot less. Richard, is this situation putting the development of the legendary Daz 5.0 higher on the priority list?

    That I don't know, sorry.

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,795
    edited 12:47AM

    Thanks everybody. I almost went with the 4090 and 14900k last year but backed off when I heard about the 14900k's getting hot. The whole rig was based on the 14900k. I know there is a patrch either out or soon to be out.Also I am hoping to get new parts which as of now are still availklable

    Richard Haseltine said:

    OrangeFalcon said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Can you wait? 5090s may become more available (and so less price-gouged), and any real issues with the power delivery may be resolved, and the next major version of DS is required for 50x0s to work in Iray.

    Indeed, I'm waiting too. I have an RTX 4070 that works just fine, and by the time we can use the 5090, I agree it'll become a lot less. Richard, is this situation putting the development of the legendary Daz 5.0 higher on the priority list?

    That I don't know, sorry.

    The thing is Richard I am really nervous that DAZ 5x will be rent ware. Which would mean I would be hanging with the current versions and not able to utilize a 5090. I need it for three projects but I could wait if I new DAZ would be business as usual. My NVLinked cards did not always cut it for oversized renders and at those times the cpu was running hot over 99% for some of the excessive workloads. Some renders I spliced into three. I don't want to fry that machine so I was hoping for a better solution ASAP. 

    kyoto kid said:

    ...I thought Nvida scrapped the idea of NVLink for the  4090 as PCIe 5 was considered fast enough.

    You are right. That and also because they wanted the NVLink I/O space for extra AI processing power. But the 30 series and 20 Series do have NVLink, which which unlike SLI, does pool RAM if cards are same chipset. It works for my RTX2080tis but still not fantastic like a 5090 would be.

    Daz Jack Tomalin said:

    Check PCpartpicker.. there's probably a few examples of decent machines around that budget.

    Thank you I had not heard of them. My PC guy seems hooked on NewEgg. I found a video about PCpartpicker. As soon as I get rid of an army of ants I just dicovered on my counter, by spraying soapy water over everything, I'll check it out. providing I don't break my neck with the drippings from a spray bottle of water and dawn soap.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,661

    ArtAngel said:

    Thanks everybody. I almost went with the 4090 and 14900k last year but backed off when I heard about the 14900k's getting hot. The whole rig was based on the 14900k. I know there is a patrch either out or soon to be out.Also I am hoping to get new parts which as of now are still availklable

    Richard Haseltine said:

    OrangeFalcon said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Can you wait? 5090s may become more available (and so less price-gouged), and any real issues with the power delivery may be resolved, and the next major version of DS is required for 50x0s to work in Iray.

    Indeed, I'm waiting too. I have an RTX 4070 that works just fine, and by the time we can use the 5090, I agree it'll become a lot less. Richard, is this situation putting the development of the legendary Daz 5.0 higher on the priority list?

    That I don't know, sorry.

    The thing is Richard I am really nervous that DAZ 5x will be rent ware. 

    I realise that this isn't an argument as such, but I can't see and do not believe Daz will charge for the equivalent of the current free features in the next major version of DS - and I would be amazed if there were not further featus added to the free/Pro/whatever version. Of coruse I'd also be pretty surprised if there were not new Premier-only features.

    Which would mean I would be hanging with the current versions and not able to utilize a 5090. I need it for three projects but I could wait if I new DAZ would be business as usual. My NVLinked cards did not always cut it for oversized renders and at those times the cpu was running hot over 99% for some of the excessive workloads. Some renders I spliced into three. I don't want to fry that machine so I was hoping for a better solution ASAP. 

    kyoto kid said:

    ...I thought Nvida scrapped the idea of NVLink for the  4090 as PCIe 5 was considered fast enough.

    You are right. That and also because they wanted the NVLink I/O space for extra AI processing power. But the 30 series and 20 Series do have NVLink, which which unlike SLI, does pool RAM if cards are same chipset. It works for my RTX2080tis but still not fantastic like a 5090 would be.

    Daz Jack Tomalin said:

    Check PCpartpicker.. there's probably a few examples of decent machines around that budget.

    Thank you I had not heard of them. My PC guy seems hooked on NewEgg. I found a video about PCpartpicker. As soon as I get rid of an army of ants I just dicovered on my counter, by spraying soapy water over everything, I'll check it out. providing I don't break my neck with the drippings from a spray bottle of water and dawn soap.

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,795

    Richard Haseltine said:

    ArtAngel said:

    Thanks everybody. I almost went with the 4090 and 14900k last year but backed off when I heard about the 14900k's getting hot. The whole rig was based on the 14900k. I know there is a patrch either out or soon to be out.Also I am hoping to get new parts which as of now are still availklable

    Richard Haseltine said:

    OrangeFalcon said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Can you wait? 5090s may become more available (and so less price-gouged), and any real issues with the power delivery may be resolved, and the next major version of DS is required for 50x0s to work in Iray.

    Indeed, I'm waiting too. I have an RTX 4070 that works just fine, and by the time we can use the 5090, I agree it'll become a lot less. Richard, is this situation putting the development of the legendary Daz 5.0 higher on the priority list?

    That I don't know, sorry.

    The thing is Richard I am really nervous that DAZ 5x will be rent ware. 

    I realise that this isn't an argument as such, but I can't see and do not believe Daz will charge for the equivalent of the current free features in the next major version of DS - and I would be amazed if there were not further featus added to the free/Pro/whatever version. Of coruse I'd also be pretty surprised if there were not new Premier-only features.

    Which would mean I would be hanging with the current versions and not able to utilize a 5090. I need it for three projects but I could wait if I new DAZ would be business as usual. My NVLinked cards did not always cut it for oversized renders and at those times the cpu was running hot over 99% for some of the excessive workloads. Some renders I spliced into three. I don't want to fry that machine so I was hoping for a better solution ASAP. 

    kyoto kid said:

    ...I thought Nvida scrapped the idea of NVLink for the  4090 as PCIe 5 was considered fast enough.

    You are right. That and also because they wanted the NVLink I/O space for extra AI processing power. But the 30 series and 20 Series do have NVLink, which which unlike SLI, does pool RAM if cards are same chipset. It works for my RTX2080tis but still not fantastic like a 5090 would be.

    Daz Jack Tomalin said:

    Check PCpartpicker.. there's probably a few examples of decent machines around that budget.

    Thank you I had not heard of them. My PC guy seems hooked on NewEgg. I found a video about PCpartpicker. As soon as I get rid of an army of ants I just dicovered on my counter, by spraying soapy water over everything, I'll check it out. providing I don't break my neck with the drippings from a spray bottle of water and dawn soap.

    Good. I hope the same because I do love DAZ Studio and the wide variety of products found here, but I also love the ability to work offline for the duration of a project. I respect DAZ's choices, I just dislike subscription software. I don't mind DAZ+ as I still can work offline while using this machine to shop. I wish I knew what rig ingredients PW-Productions has because that PA's products are massive. I am actually leaning toward two new 3090s (not because of cost) because NVLink would seemingly provide 48 pool RAM. I can't stand being so indecisive. Grrrrr.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,226

    Daz Jack Tomalin said:

    Check PCpartpicker.. there's probably a few examples of decent machines around that budget.

    ...I use them. as I've designed built my own.systems

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