The Old Tech Question, "Is It Plugged In?"

IceScribeIceScribe Posts: 694
edited February 2023 in The Commons

Back in the day, we had computer techs who would eventually show up to fix a user's problem. They were jaded and bored, so they would come in the office and ask, is your computer plugged in? You know, sometimes it was that easy. Cleaning crew with vacuum cleaning might knock loose a plug in the wall. Which makes me wonder why are outlets placed near the floor?  Anyway, this morning I was getting mighty peeved. Had to install the latest upgrade to DIM, again. Worked yesterday. I like DIM, because it consistently installs to my paths to external harddrive. I know very little about the myriad of DAZ product paths, I have found this works for me. But, another upgrade to DIM, the format of the panel has changed. Seems like it takes up more 'landscape' than necessary. 

Again, anywhoo, I kept trying to download and install a relatively new product. Getting more upset by the moment, the Install button said "Retry". Never saw that before. Tried and tried, deleted product redownloaded, etc etc, getting madder and madder. I checked my external drive. Yes, it was properly plugged into port. Grrr! Never had a problem with DIM before. Began thinking in my mind, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Making new graphic, white color where's the blue button, and so on seems pointless and eats up more precious memory. Finally, an error message popped up. Basically said, the installation path doesn't exist. Wha? Panic? Yikes!

Until...I remembered last night I used the "Safely remove hardware and eject media" button. I didn't unplug the external drive, as I usually do, so I didn't realize that the connection had been closed by me myself. 

I've been ejecting external harddrive so I don't boot up when I restart my computer. I shut the computer down, because something or things run in 'background' which causes the computer to heat up even in this cold weather, and something runs the external drive. I don't know what it is, miners? snoops? Tons of anti virus apps but nothing shows. When I open Task Manager there are things that quickly revert to zero use. But, I am not looking for help with those issues. Just wanted to share that sometimes, the dingus is just not plugged in. 

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  • SofaCitizenSofaCitizen Posts: 1,951

    IceScribe said:

    ... Which makes me wonder why are outlets placed near the floor?  ...

    I shudder to think about the chaos that would ensue if they were any higher.  I would be in danger of being garotted by a hoover power cable when leaving work if the power outlets were so high - please keep them where they are on the floor.  A more pertient question for the builders of my house is why they thought placing them underneath radiators was a good idea.

  • LinwellyLinwelly Posts: 5,971

    when we renovated kids room last October we considered adding some more sockets in more convenient places along the wall, so we informed ourselves what needs to be done and loo and behold there are like 7000 rules (Germany!) of how and where you can add lines and sockets, turns out, no we couldn't so it's still vial external socket multiplyer frown

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066

    Higher plugs would mean more adapter packs awkwardly dangling about... Not the regular ones which are a small adapter box that plugs directly into the outlet... but those annoying ones with a three inch long cord then an adapter that get in the way of everything no matter what (Sony is famous for these, but theirs usually are long enough not to be a problem, plus the cord often can be unplugged from the adapter box).

    Booooooo to bad dangley adapter design.

  • IceScribe said:

    Back in the day, we had computer techs who would eventually show up to fix a user's problem. They were jaded and bored, so they would come in the office and ask, is your computer plugged in? You know, sometimes it was that easy. Cleaning crew with vacuum cleaning might knock loose a plug in the wall. Which makes me wonder why are outlets placed near the floor?  Anyway, this morning I was getting mighty peeved. Had to install the latest upgrade to DIM, again. Worked yesterday. I like DIM, because it consistently installs to my paths to external harddrive. I know very little about the myriad of DAZ product paths, I have found this works for me. But, another upgrade to DIM, the format of the panel has changed. Seems like it takes up more 'landscape' than necessary. 

    Again, anywhoo, I kept trying to download and install a relatively new product. Getting more upset by the moment, the Install button said "Retry". Never saw that before. Tried and tried, deleted product redownloaded, etc etc, getting madder and madder. I checked my external drive. Yes, it was properly plugged into port. Grrr! Never had a problem with DIM before. Began thinking in my mind, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Making new graphic, white color where's the blue button, and so on seems pointless and eats up more precious memory. Finally, an error message popped up. Basically said, the installation path doesn't exist. Wha? Panic? Yikes!

    Until...I remembered last night I used the "Safely remove hardware and eject media" button. I didn't unplug the external drive, as I usually do, so I didn't realize that the connection had been closed by me myself. 

    I've been ejecting external harddrive so I don't boot up when I restart my computer. I shut the computer down, because something or things run in 'background' which causes the computer to heat up even in this cold weather, and something runs the external drive. I don't know what it is, miners? snoops? Tons of anti virus apps but nothing shows. When I open Task Manager there are things that quickly revert to zero use. But, I am not looking for help with those issues. Just wanted to share that sometimes, the dingus is just not plugged in. 

    Tons of anti virus apps but nothing shows.

    There's your answer right there.  Tons of anti-virus apps.  They salivate over external devices.  If you're running Windows 10 or 11, and aren't going anywhere nefarious, Windows Defender is good enough for 99.9% use.  Though, if you're the type to wander into the dark alleys of the Interent, extra protection is needed...but not many people do that.  Most modern anti-virus programs are just pure and simple resource hogs.  It's best to just do some tidy housekeeping from time to time (using something like GlarryUtilities) to clean up cookies and temp files.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024
    edited February 2023

    Expozures said:

    Tons of anti virus apps but nothing shows.

    There's your answer right there.  Tons of anti-virus apps.  They salivate over external devices.  If you're running Windows 10 or 11, and aren't going anywhere nefarious, Windows Defender is good enough for 99.9% use.  Though, if you're the type to wander into the dark alleys of the Interent, extra protection is needed...but not many people do that.  Most modern anti-virus programs are just pure and simple resource hogs.  It's best to just do some tidy housekeeping from time to time (using something like GlarryUtilities) to clean up cookies and temp files.

    Windows indexing is also running in the background, one of the things I always disable when setting up Windows OS. 

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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Linwelly said:

    when we renovated kids room last October we considered adding some more sockets in more convenient places along the wall, so we informed ourselves what needs to be done and loo and behold there are like 7000 rules (Germany!) of how and where you can add lines and sockets, turns out, no we couldn't so it's still vial external socket multiplyer frown

    But you can always add extension cords after extension cords, after extension cords (ad infinitum)... Then connect a 2KW space heater to the last one surprise

    Exercise in futility; Trying to get ones 80-year old mom understand, why that's not such a good idea...

  • PerttiA said:

    Linwelly said:

    when we renovated kids room last October we considered adding some more sockets in more convenient places along the wall, so we informed ourselves what needs to be done and loo and behold there are like 7000 rules (Germany!) of how and where you can add lines and sockets, turns out, no we couldn't so it's still vial external socket multiplyer frown

    But you can always add extension cords after extension cords, after extension cords (ad infinitum)... Then connect a 2KW space heater to the last one surprise

    Exercise in futility; Trying to get ones 80-year old mom understand, why that's not such a good idea...

    Have her grab the flimsiest extension cord in the string when the heater is on. 

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 2,858

    Linwelly said:

    when we renovated kids room last October we considered adding some more sockets in more convenient places along the wall, so we informed ourselves what needs to be done and loo and behold there are like 7000 rules (Germany!) of how and where you can add lines and sockets, turns out, no we couldn't so it's still vial external socket multiplyer frown

    I can rely, the building and installation rules in general are a pretty big PITA in Germany. But you so come to appreciate them after working with an older house for sure - where generations of people just put sockets whereever they needed them and threaded cables out of windows and back inside through drill  holes that were then lightly papered over. And we used to have one so massive cable spider's nest in the attic, like EVERYTHING connected to that beast up there, and most of the cables of the old OLD variety, wrapped in cloth ... Through the years, we managed to trim everything down, but there are now quite a few lights not working anymore concerning which nobody has the slightest clue as to why. So there is some merit to rules, actually ...wink

  • tsroemi said:

    Linwelly said:

    when we renovated kids room last October we considered adding some more sockets in more convenient places along the wall, so we informed ourselves what needs to be done and loo and behold there are like 7000 rules (Germany!) of how and where you can add lines and sockets, turns out, no we couldn't so it's still vial external socket multiplyer frown

    I can rely, the building and installation rules in general are a pretty big PITA in Germany. But you so come to appreciate them after working with an older house for sure - where generations of people just put sockets whereever they needed them and threaded cables out of windows and back inside through drill  holes that were then lightly papered over. And we used to have one so massive cable spider's nest in the attic, like EVERYTHING connected to that beast up there, and most of the cables of the old OLD variety, wrapped in cloth ... Through the years, we managed to trim everything down, but there are now quite a few lights not working anymore concerning which nobody has the slightest clue as to why. So there is some merit to rules, actually ...wink

    220V is something I wouldn't mess with.  In North America we're blessed with only 110V (yes, it's 220V coming into the house, but most typical outlets are 110).  Worst you get is a jolt and a reminder, "Don't do that again."

  • LinwellyLinwelly Posts: 5,971

    PerttiA said:

    Linwelly said:

    when we renovated kids room last October we considered adding some more sockets in more convenient places along the wall, so we informed ourselves what needs to be done and loo and behold there are like 7000 rules (Germany!) of how and where you can add lines and sockets, turns out, no we couldn't so it's still vial external socket multiplyer frown

    But you can always add extension cords after extension cords, after extension cords (ad infinitum)... Then connect a 2KW space heater to the last one surprise

    Exercise in futility; Trying to get ones 80-year old mom understand, why that's not such a good idea...

    yup or have the 50m extension cord to cool the fridge car over night not full unrolled by your coworker and find it up heated nicely crying

  • LinwellyLinwelly Posts: 5,971

    tsroemi said:

    Linwelly said:

    when we renovated kids room last October we considered adding some more sockets in more convenient places along the wall, so we informed ourselves what needs to be done and loo and behold there are like 7000 rules (Germany!) of how and where you can add lines and sockets, turns out, no we couldn't so it's still vial external socket multiplyer frown

    I can rely, the building and installation rules in general are a pretty big PITA in Germany. But you so come to appreciate them after working with an older house for sure - where generations of people just put sockets whereever they needed them and threaded cables out of windows and back inside through drill  holes that were then lightly papered over. And we used to have one so massive cable spider's nest in the attic, like EVERYTHING connected to that beast up there, and most of the cables of the old OLD variety, wrapped in cloth ... Through the years, we managed to trim everything down, but there are now quite a few lights not working anymore concerning which nobody has the slightest clue as to why. So there is some merit to rules, actually ...wink

    sounds like you had a lot of fun with that beast, our house fortunately is not that old so only a limited amount of surprises during renovations 

  • Expozures said:

    tsroemi said:

    Linwelly said:

    when we renovated kids room last October we considered adding some more sockets in more convenient places along the wall, so we informed ourselves what needs to be done and loo and behold there are like 7000 rules (Germany!) of how and where you can add lines and sockets, turns out, no we couldn't so it's still vial external socket multiplyer frown

    I can rely, the building and installation rules in general are a pretty big PITA in Germany. But you so come to appreciate them after working with an older house for sure - where generations of people just put sockets whereever they needed them and threaded cables out of windows and back inside through drill  holes that were then lightly papered over. And we used to have one so massive cable spider's nest in the attic, like EVERYTHING connected to that beast up there, and most of the cables of the old OLD variety, wrapped in cloth ... Through the years, we managed to trim everything down, but there are now quite a few lights not working anymore concerning which nobody has the slightest clue as to why. So there is some merit to rules, actually ...wink

    220V is something I wouldn't mess with.  In North America we're blessed with only 110V (yes, it's 220V coming into the house, but most typical outlets are 110).  Worst you get is a jolt and a reminder, "Don't do that again."

    Amperage matters more.

  • Richard Haseltine said:

    Expozures said:

    tsroemi said:

    Linwelly said:

    when we renovated kids room last October we considered adding some more sockets in more convenient places along the wall, so we informed ourselves what needs to be done and loo and behold there are like 7000 rules (Germany!) of how and where you can add lines and sockets, turns out, no we couldn't so it's still vial external socket multiplyer frown

    I can rely, the building and installation rules in general are a pretty big PITA in Germany. But you so come to appreciate them after working with an older house for sure - where generations of people just put sockets whereever they needed them and threaded cables out of windows and back inside through drill  holes that were then lightly papered over. And we used to have one so massive cable spider's nest in the attic, like EVERYTHING connected to that beast up there, and most of the cables of the old OLD variety, wrapped in cloth ... Through the years, we managed to trim everything down, but there are now quite a few lights not working anymore concerning which nobody has the slightest clue as to why. So there is some merit to rules, actually ...wink

    220V is something I wouldn't mess with.  In North America we're blessed with only 110V (yes, it's 220V coming into the house, but most typical outlets are 110).  Worst you get is a jolt and a reminder, "Don't do that again."

    Amperage matters more.

    You are correct, sir

  • Linwelly said:

    PerttiA said:

    Linwelly said:

    when we renovated kids room last October we considered adding some more sockets in more convenient places along the wall, so we informed ourselves what needs to be done and loo and behold there are like 7000 rules (Germany!) of how and where you can add lines and sockets, turns out, no we couldn't so it's still vial external socket multiplyer frown

    But you can always add extension cords after extension cords, after extension cords (ad infinitum)... Then connect a 2KW space heater to the last one surprise

    Exercise in futility; Trying to get ones 80-year old mom understand, why that's not such a good idea...

    yup or have the 50m extension cord to cool the fridge car over night not full unrolled by your coworker and find it up heated nicely crying

    That just cracked me up, the extension cord exentions!  Yes the hubby doesn't get that, either. I've grown up and lived in old houses, so I know how to use appliances, one at a time. By old I mean WWII time. I check the amp ratings.  BTW my kitchen and the bath both have elbow high outlets, so I don't see why cords dangling from endtables, or where kiddoes or pets can chew on them or a beverage spilled on them as well as the old loosened plug problem is safer. Just old regulations for some old construction reasons. But, you know for all the "go electric" hype these days, we still rely upon electrical delivery to our homes based on 150 year old technology, wires draped on tree trunks. 

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,644
    edited February 2023

    IceScribe said:

    Linwelly said:

    PerttiA said:

    Linwelly said:

    when we renovated kids room last October we considered adding some more sockets in more convenient places along the wall, so we informed ourselves what needs to be done and loo and behold there are like 7000 rules (Germany!) of how and where you can add lines and sockets, turns out, no we couldn't so it's still vial external socket multiplyer frown

    But you can always add extension cords after extension cords, after extension cords (ad infinitum)... Then connect a 2KW space heater to the last one surprise

    Exercise in futility; Trying to get ones 80-year old mom understand, why that's not such a good idea...

    yup or have the 50m extension cord to cool the fridge car over night not full unrolled by your coworker and find it up heated nicely crying

    ... [snip]... But, you know for all the "go electric" hype these days, we still rely upon electrical delivery to our homes based on 150 year old technology, wires draped on tree trunks. 

    Electron buckets are available, but they're heavy, heavy. indecision

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  • Expozures said:

    Tons of anti virus apps but nothing shows.

    There's your answer right there.  Tons of anti-virus apps.  They salivate over external devices.  If you're running Windows 10 or 11, and aren't going anywhere nefarious, Windows Defender is good enough for 99.9% use.  Though, if you're the type to wander into the dark alleys of the Interent, extra protection is needed...but not many people do that.  Most modern anti-virus programs are just pure and simple resource hogs.  It's best to just do some tidy housekeeping from time to time (using something like GlarryUtilities) to clean up cookies and temp files.

    Just as an FYI to everyone...I recently had an issue where something claiming to be from Western Digital came through that was undetectable by any anti-virus/anti-malware software. It would keep self installing on the hard drive AND my WD external HD and cause my desktop to go haywire.  Windows opening and closing randomly and programs crashing all the time! Western Digital knew nothing and couldn't help me. If I deleted the program it would just reappear. If I tried blocking the running of it I'd get a pop up messages from Windows telling me it was blocked every second! The only solution was to scrub the HDs and reinstall Windows ( good thing I have multiple backup HDs!). The only thing I could think of is that it snuck in via one of the many scam emails I was getting at the time. I NEVER open ANY email that I don't recognize and I'm VERY tidy about my "housekeeping" but it got through anyway. After I got things up the scam emails stopped but they are starting up again. Hopefully another "bug" won't get through! So beware!!

    I'm not one who agrees with violence, but I WISH I could have  had 5 minutes alone in a room with these jerks!angry

  • semperequstri said:

    Expozures said:

    Tons of anti virus apps but nothing shows.

    There's your answer right there.  Tons of anti-virus apps.  They salivate over external devices.  If you're running Windows 10 or 11, and aren't going anywhere nefarious, Windows Defender is good enough for 99.9% use.  Though, if you're the type to wander into the dark alleys of the Interent, extra protection is needed...but not many people do that.  Most modern anti-virus programs are just pure and simple resource hogs.  It's best to just do some tidy housekeeping from time to time (using something like GlarryUtilities) to clean up cookies and temp files.

    Just as an FYI to everyone...I recently had an issue where something claiming to be from Western Digital came through that was undetectable by any anti-virus/anti-malware software. It would keep self installing on the hard drive AND my WD external HD and cause my desktop to go haywire.  Windows opening and closing randomly and programs crashing all the time! Western Digital knew nothing and couldn't help me. If I deleted the program it would just reappear. If I tried blocking the running of it I'd get a pop up messages from Windows telling me it was blocked every second! The only solution was to scrub the HDs and reinstall Windows ( good thing I have multiple backup HDs!). The only thing I could think of is that it snuck in via one of the many scam emails I was getting at the time. I NEVER open ANY email that I don't recognize and I'm VERY tidy about my "housekeeping" but it got through anyway. After I got things up the scam emails stopped but they are starting up again. Hopefully another "bug" won't get through! So beware!!

    I'm not one who agrees with violence, but I WISH I could have  had 5 minutes alone in a room with these jerks!angry

     

    I could do the job in 4 minutes.indecision 

  • My last house was a late Victorian one (1898) and was first wired in 1936, six light bulbs and a single 240v/5A socket all fitted under a special discounted deal. When I rewired it in 1992, the rubber and silk around the aluminium conductors had perished to dust. The bathroom light was on a 2 core (no earth) 50V bell flex extension from the back bedroom light socket and dangled low enough to dip in any water in the cast iron bath so the old lady previous owner could change the bulb herself. The outside shed power was routed on the outside of the house, two bundles of aluminium conductors nailed to the wall, where all the silk and rubber insulation had eroded away. I re-wired in accordance with UK regs, and put in 4 double sockets in every room and a landing light switch outside every room coming off the stairwell and landing (5). It was approved by the buildings regs inspector before the house even became ours (the mortgage company refused to lend a penny against it until the wiring was deemed 'safe' and no longer 'an extreme hazard to life'). Regards, Richard
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