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Help with new freebie

perlkperlk Posts: 854
in Freebies

I made a pair of 1940's shoes for G8F, but I am having a lot of issues with them.  I can't convert them to a figure without them warping, probably because I modeled them with the G8F feet not flat. Does anyone have any tips? Or feel like testing them (as props)? Or feel like messing with them to make them fit as a figure?

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  • felisfelis Posts: 4,437

    Rigging heals is a little troublesome.

    Did you use reverse deformation when transfer rigging.

    Maybe look at this 

     

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,727
    edited October 2022

    Fascinating. Thanks for linking to that, Felis. Extremely useful. Regards, Richard.

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  • perlkperlk Posts: 854

    felis said:

    Rigging heals is a little troublesome.

    Did you use reverse deformation when transfer rigging.

    Maybe look at this 

    Oh, this is really helpful - thank you! I'll give it a look. No, I didn't use reverse deformation because I didn't know it existed laugh

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,727

    Oh for a comprehensive help system or manual...

    enlightened

    Regards,

    Richard

  • perlkperlk Posts: 854

    This is great, btw. I was able to fix up my shoes and get them to fit. They look really deformed if you apply them to G8F without the foot pose, but I'll include that in my readme.

  • perlkperlk Posts: 854

    Actually, the deformation is really happening quite a lot when I pose, despite it looking fine when the foot pose is applied.. I followed the weight mapping tutorial after reverse deformation but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. Check it out. Exploding shoes.

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  • BronzeDragonBronzeDragon Posts: 381

    perlk said:

    Actually, the deformation is really happening quite a lot when I pose, despite it looking fine when the foot pose is applied.. I followed the weight mapping tutorial after reverse deformation but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. Check it out. Exploding shoes.

      You should submit these to the military. They are always looking for exploding stuff. 

  • felisfelis Posts: 4,437

    It looks like some verteces have weights that belongs to something very different than the foot bones.

    I would suggest to put her in default pose, and then just move a foot slighty, then it should be more obvious where the problem is.

  • perlkperlk Posts: 854

    felis said:

    It looks like some verteces have weights that belongs to something very different than the foot bones.

    I would suggest to put her in default pose, and then just move a foot slighty, then it should be more obvious where the problem is.

    Thank you!

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,359
    edited October 2022

    Or find the corresponding pJCMs and make replacement morphs in the shoes.

    Or, make for the properly posed foot, as props. Include foot pose with product.

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  • perlkperlk Posts: 854

    Catherine3678ab said:

    Or find the corresponding pJCMs and make replacement morphs in the shoes.

    Or, make for the properly posed foot, as props. Include foot pose with product.

    I think that would be hard with heels without making them look warped. Then again, they already look warped, so....worth a shot.

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 3,598

    I'm happy to help with testing if you still need it.

    All the suggestions I would make have already been said. I think Catherine's idea of pJCM's sounds like a good one.

    Quick question on making clothing for Genesis these days is pJCM's the equivalent of a JCM in the figure or is there a finer distinction? and is the naming used in the morph name and I'm assuming they need to be hidden?

  • perlkperlk Posts: 854

    Also, is there a tutorial out there for making morphs with pJCMs?

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 3,598
    edited October 2022

    I think I may have seen something recently...I'll have a hunt. 

    Quick hunt...I think there may be a dark edge tutorial in the store...found it here https://www.daz3d.com/pjcm-poses--for-clothing-creators-for-genesis-8 it's for poses so it's easy to create the pJCM's. I've bought it recently but haven't had a play with it yet.

    This is jcm's

    This is pJCM's

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/414706/pjcm-poses-for-clothing-creators-questions

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  • perlkperlk Posts: 854

    Thank you!

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 3,598
    edited October 2022

    No problem, I'm doing a freebie for genesis at the moment so I also need to work it out. 

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  • perlkperlk Posts: 854

    OK, so I got fed up with this and went with Catherine's suggestion of re-making them for a properly posed foot. Now they work fine! Just figured I'd update everyone. I will be releasing them shortly and hope they are good enough, because I'm totally done with them :-)

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,359

    I tend to think of those old Barbie dolls we had, posed foot, shoe props, no problems. And honestly, when walking in heels there isn't much foot movement.

  • perlkperlk Posts: 854

    Catherine3678ab said:

    I tend to think of those old Barbie dolls we had, posed foot, shoe props, no problems. And honestly, when walking in heels there isn't much foot movement.

    And this is why I try never to wear heels :-) They look great on Barbie, though!

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,727
    I still think back to my eldest daughter as a young girl. She had a number of Action Men, and one Barbie. Barbie was always the damsel in distress and was always rescued just too late to prevent a horrible death. I can remember hearing my 6yo daughter telling Barbie off because it was only due Barbie doing nothing to help herself, and had she put in some effort on her own behalf, she could have escaped without help. I suspect that she already understood the major flaw in many plot lines even then. Regards, Richard
  • perlkperlk Posts: 854

    richardandtracy said:

    I still think back to my eldest daughter as a young girl. She had a number of Action Men, and one Barbie. Barbie was always the damsel in distress and was always rescued just too late to prevent a horrible death. I can remember hearing my 6yo daughter telling Barbie off because it was only due Barbie doing nothing to help herself, and had she put in some effort on her own behalf, she could have escaped without help. I suspect that she already understood the major flaw in many plot lines even then. Regards, Richard

    Ha ha! That's so funny. Smart girl!

    As an artist, I used to try to make clothes or decorate Barbie by giving her make up and coloring her hair. My sister, the scientist, used to rip off her legs and arms to see how they were put together. 

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 3,598

    perlk said:

    richardandtracy said:

    I still think back to my eldest daughter as a young girl. She had a number of Action Men, and one Barbie. Barbie was always the damsel in distress and was always rescued just too late to prevent a horrible death. I can remember hearing my 6yo daughter telling Barbie off because it was only due Barbie doing nothing to help herself, and had she put in some effort on her own behalf, she could have escaped without help. I suspect that she already understood the major flaw in many plot lines even then. Regards, Richard

    Ha ha! That's so funny. Smart girl!

    As an artist, I used to try to make clothes or decorate Barbie by giving her make up and coloring her hair. My sister, the scientist, used to rip off her legs and arms to see how they were put together. 

    I made clothes for my daughter's barbies when she was little. I have a barbie that someone  made for me, they handpainted it, made it a rogues outfit complete with knife attached to the pantaloons.  

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