Getting a lot of errors messages when loading Genesis 8.1 Female [Solved]

MBusch

I am getting a lot of error messages when loading Genesis 8.1 Female. This does not occur when loading Genesis 8 Female. I have re-installed Starter Essentials and body, head, and expressions packages and the issue persist.

Here is the Genesis 8 Female loading with a very error clean log.

2021-10-29 15:54:47.145 Prepare asset load (open): /People/Genesis 8 Female/Developer Kit/Genesis 8 Female Dev Load.duf
2021-10-29 15:54:47.145 Locking viewport redraw...
2021-10-29 15:54:47.145 Viewport redraw locked.
2021-10-29 15:54:47.248 Native format content directories: 5
2021-10-29 15:54:47.248 Poser format content directories: 1
2021-10-29 15:54:47.248 Other import format content directories: 0
2021-10-29 15:54:47.248 Begin asset load (open): /People/Genesis 8 Female/Developer Kit/Genesis 8 Female Dev Load.duf
2021-10-29 15:54:58.397 *** Scene Cleared ***
2021-10-29 15:54:58.397 Determining missing assets...
2021-10-29 15:54:58.541 Setting textures...
2021-10-29 15:54:58.604 Scanning for addons...
2021-10-29 15:55:16.709 Cache update required, 15207 unused files: /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female.cache.dsf
2021-10-29 15:55:18.307 Cache update started: /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female.cache.dsf
2021-10-29 15:55:22.630 Cache update finished: /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female.cache.dsf
2021-10-29 15:55:22.631 Creating node geometry...
2021-10-29 15:55:22.635 Creating UV sets...
2021-10-29 15:55:22.635 Creating materials...
2021-10-29 15:55:22.665 Resolving legacy figures...
2021-10-29 15:55:22.665 Preparing modifiers...
2021-10-29 15:55:22.683 Creating modifiers...
2021-10-29 15:55:23.058 Creating property aliases...
2021-10-29 15:55:23.063 Creating sum stage formulas...
2021-10-29 15:55:31.975 Creating multiply stage formulas...
2021-10-29 15:55:32.155 Finalizing modifiers...
2021-10-29 15:55:32.156 Finalizing channels...
2021-10-29 15:55:32.156 Finalizing materials...
2021-10-29 15:55:32.156 Sorting property groups...
2021-10-29 15:55:32.183 Finished asset load (open): 0m 44.935s - /People/Genesis 8 Female/Developer Kit/Genesis 8 Female Dev Load.duf
2021-10-29 15:55:32.737 Unlocking viewport redraw...
2021-10-29 15:55:32.737 Viewport redraw unlocked.
2021-10-29 15:55:32.746 Loaded morph deltas: 0m 0.0s - /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/DAZ 3D/Head/PHMEyelashesLengthUpper.dsf
2021-10-29 15:55:32.747 Loaded morph deltas: 0m 0.0s - /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/DAZ 3D/Head/PHMEyelashesLengthLower.dsf
2021-10-29 15:55:32.747 Loaded morph deltas: 0m 0.0s - /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/DAZ 3D/Head/PHMEyelashesCurl.dsf

 

Here is the Genesis 8.1 Female loading log

2021-10-29 15:58:43.942 Prepare asset load (open): /People/Genesis 8 Female/Developer Kit/Genesis 8.1 Female Dev Load.duf
2021-10-29 15:58:43.942 Locking viewport redraw...
2021-10-29 15:58:43.942 Viewport redraw locked.
2021-10-29 15:58:44.043 Native format content directories: 5
2021-10-29 15:58:44.043 Poser format content directories: 1
2021-10-29 15:58:44.043 Other import format content directories: 0
2021-10-29 15:58:44.043 Begin asset load (open): /People/Genesis 8 Female/Developer Kit/Genesis 8.1 Female Dev Load.duf
2021-10-29 15:58:54.892 *** Scene Cleared ***
2021-10-29 15:58:54.892 Determining missing assets...
2021-10-29 15:58:55.070 Setting textures...
2021-10-29 15:58:55.125 Scanning for addons...
2021-10-29 15:59:00.489 Creating node geometry...
2021-10-29 15:59:00.493 Creating UV sets...
2021-10-29 15:59:00.494 Creating materials...
2021-10-29 15:59:00.526 Resolving legacy figures...
2021-10-29 15:59:00.526 Preparing modifiers...
2021-10-29 15:59:00.612 Creating modifiers...
2021-10-29 15:59:01.111 Creating property aliases...
2021-10-29 15:59:01.118 Creating sum stage formulas...
2021-10-29 15:59:01.201 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7041): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Expressions/eCTRLWink_HD.dsf#eCTRLWink?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Zelara%208/eJCMZelara8_Wink_HDLv2.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:01.205 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7041): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Expressions/eCTRLTriumph_HD.dsf#eCTRLTriumph?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Zelara%208/eJCMZelara8_Triumph_HDLv2.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:01.209 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7041): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Expressions/eCTRLSurprised_HD.dsf#eCTRLSurprised?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Zelara%208/eJCMZelara8_Surprised_HDLv1.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:01.213 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7041): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Expressions/eCTRLSmileOpenFullFace_HD.dsf#eCTRLSmileOpenFullFace?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Zelara%208/eJCMZelara8_SmileOpenFullFace_HDLv2.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:01.217 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7041): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Expressions/eCTRLSmileFullFace_HD.dsf#eCTRLSmileFullFace?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Zelara%208/eJCMZelara8_SmileFullFace.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:01.217 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6975): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Expressions/eJCMSmileFullFace_HD_div2.dsf#eJCMSmileFullFace_HD_div2?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Zelara%208/eJCMZelara8_SmileFullFace.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:01.221 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7041): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Expressions/eCTRLScream_HD.dsf#eCTRLScream?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Zelara%208/eJCMZelara8_Scream_HDLv2.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:01.225 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7041): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Expressions/eCTRLRage_HD.dsf#eCTRLRage?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Zelara%208/eJCMZelara8_Rage_HDLv2.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:01.229 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7041): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Expressions/eCTRLPain_HD.dsf#eCTRLPain?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Zelara%208/eJCMZelara8_Pain_HDLv2.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:01.231 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7041): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Base%20Pose%20Head/eCTRLNoseWrinkle.dsf#eCTRLNoseWrinkle?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Zelara%208/eJCMZelara8_NoseWrinkle_HDLv2.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:01.232 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7041): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Base%20Pose%20Head/PHMNoseCompression_HD_div2.dsf#PHMNoseCompression_HD_div2?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Zelara%208/eJCMZelara8_NoseCompression_HDLv3.dsf

and for 1848 lines until...

2021-10-29 15:59:08.924 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6975): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Base%20Pose%20Head/eCTRLLipTopOut-In.dsf#eCTRLLipTopOut-In?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/shadownet3d/Flitterbye/ectrl%20FB%20Blowing%20Air.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:08.924 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6975): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Base%20Pose%20Head/eCTRLLipsPuckerWide.dsf#eCTRLLipsPuckerWide?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/shadownet3d/Flitterbye/ectrl%20FB%20Blowing%20Air.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:08.924 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6975): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Base%20Pose%20Head/eCTRLLipsPucker-Pressed.dsf#eCTRLLipsPucker-Pressed?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/shadownet3d/Flitterbye/ectrl%20FB%20Blowing%20Air.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:08.924 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6975): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Base%20Pose%20Head/eCTRLLipsPart.dsf#eCTRLLipsPart?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/shadownet3d/Flitterbye/ectrl%20FB%20Blowing%20Air.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:08.924 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6975): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Base%20Pose%20Head/eCTRLLipBottomOut-In.dsf#eCTRLLipBottomOut-In?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/shadownet3d/Flitterbye/ectrl%20FB%20Blowing%20Air.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:08.924 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6975): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Base%20Pose%20Head/eCTRLEyesRelax.dsf#eCTRLEyesRelax?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/shadownet3d/Flitterbye/ectrl%20FB%20Blowing%20Air.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:08.924 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6975): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Base%20Pose%20Head/eCTRLEyesClosed.dsf#ECTRLEyesClosed?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/shadownet3d/Flitterbye/ectrl%20FB%20Blowing%20Air.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:08.924 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6975): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Base%20Pose%20Head/eCTRLCheeksBalloon-SuckIn.dsf#eCTRLCheeksBalloon-SuckIn?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/shadownet3d/Flitterbye/ectrl%20FB%20Blowing%20Air.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:08.924 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6975): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Base%20Pose%20Head/eCTRLBrowUp-Down.dsf#eCTRLBrowUp-Down?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/shadownet3d/Flitterbye/ectrl%20FB%20Blowing%20Air.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:09.583 Creating multiply stage formulas...
2021-10-29 15:59:09.805 Finalizing modifiers...
2021-10-29 15:59:09.806 Finalizing channels...
2021-10-29 15:59:09.806 Finalizing materials...
2021-10-29 15:59:09.806 Sorting property groups...
2021-10-29 15:59:09.832 Finished asset load (open): 0m 25.789s - /People/Genesis 8 Female/Developer Kit/Genesis 8.1 Female Dev Load.duf
2021-10-29 15:59:10.419 Unlocking viewport redraw...
2021-10-29 15:59:10.419 Viewport redraw unlocked.
2021-10-29 15:59:10.428 Loaded morph deltas: 0m 0.0s - /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Head/PHMEyelashesLengthUpper.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:10.428 Loaded morph deltas: 0m 0.0s - /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Head/PHMEyelashesLengthLower.dsf
2021-10-29 15:59:10.429 Loaded morph deltas: 0m 0.0s - /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Head/PHMEyelashesCurl.dsf

Some idea of how to fix this? 

TYA

PerttiA

Those are because the G8 base expressions are by default disabled for G8.1. It has been done by making dummy/placeholder expressions that have no function. Your G8 character is calling for those expressions and when it can't find them, it logs a warning.

Making the G8 base expressions (and any expressions that are using them) work on G8.1 requires removing dummy/placeholder expressions that are installed to G8.1 morph folders - These dummy/placeholder expression files have no other function than to prevent the base G8 expressions from loading. 

The dummy/placeholder files are located in;

...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)
...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)

Please make sure you are removing the files from G8.1 morph folders and not G8 morph folders.

MBusch

Perfect @PerttiA! Wh​ile my Expressions folder have a lot more of files, removing those folders solved the problem. Thank you so much! 

DrunkMonkeyProductions

DO NOT DO THIS!!!

What perttia is apparently not aware of, is that 8.1 uses a different system for expressions, FACS(Facial Coding System).

By eliminting those folders/files, it does eliminate the errors, but allows 8.1 to load both the standard expressions, other associated morphs, and the FACS versions, resulting in two sets of morphs.

While this doesn't produce 'duplicate formula' or other errors, as they work differently and don't create conflicts, it introduces a level of confusion and potential problems for users.

The expressions are also, wildly different from each other and using the 8.0 morphs, on the 8.1, may produce unacceptable results.

In the attached image, 8.0(left), 8.1(with both sets) and 8.1(correct morphs), the "Angry" expression is dialed in to 100%.

Notice the massive difference between the left(8.0) and right(8.1) results.

Then notice the 8.0 morph applied to 8.1 in the center figure. Pay special attention to the teeth.

 

So, while the errors are going to be annoying, and a lot of content isn't going to load/work properly, do not eliminate the folders/files in 8.1, they're there for a reason.

 

 

PerttiA

DrunkMonkeyProductions said:

DO NOT DO THIS!!!

What perttia is apparently not aware of, is that 8.1 uses a different system for expressions, FACS(Facial Coding System).

By eliminting those folders/files, it does eliminate the errors, but allows 8.1 to load both the standard expressions, other associated morphs, and the FACS versions, resulting in two sets of morphs.

While this doesn't produce 'duplicate formula' or other errors, as they work differently and don't create conflicts, it introduces a level of confusion and potential problems for users.

The expressions are also, wildly different from each other and using the 8.0 morphs, on the 8.1, may produce unacceptable results.

In the attached image, 8.0(left), 8.1(with both sets) and 8.1(correct morphs), the "Angry" expression is dialed in to 100%.

Notice the massive difference between the left(8.0) and right(8.1) results.

Then notice the 8.0 morph applied to 8.1 in the center figure. Pay special attention to the teeth.

 

So, while the errors are going to be annoying, and a lot of content isn't going to load/work properly, do not eliminate the folders/files in 8.1, they're there for a reason.

Yeah, for a reason... the reason being to disable G8 expressions and at the same time making lots of PA made expressions not functioning even with their expression dials being present in Parameters tab...

It just gives the user the possibility to use G8 expressions instead of the FACS ones, do they look the same as the corresponding FACS expressions or do they look exactly the same on G8.1 as they do 0n G8... Who cares. 

DrunkMonkeyProductions

PerttiA said:

Yeah, for a reason... the reason being to disable G8 expressions and at the same time making lots of PA made expressions not functioning even with their expression dials being present in Parameters tab...

It just gives the user the possibility to use G8 expressions instead of the FACS ones, do they look the same as the corresponding FACS expressions or do they look exactly the same on G8.1 as they do 0n G8... Who cares. 

While you may not care about your results, some of us actually do.

Those morph dials are disabled, as they don't work correctly with 8.1.

Enabling them just creates a different problem.

 

But hey, if you want to work with incompatible content that produces broken results, go for it.