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  • NathNath Posts: 2,798
    edited March 2021

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    droidy001 said:

    Something else that's popped into my mind. Sorry if this has been covered. What happens when the server with your copy comes to end of life?

    Then you have a very dead link which was very expensive. 

    But if you're one of the first people it happens to you can take a screenshot of the dead link, put that on another server and sell an NFT for it...

    Post edited by Nath on
  • Panzer EmeraldPanzer Emerald Posts: 727

    Well, it's been a good 11 years as a customer, but this is where I draw a very hard line. 

    I cannot, in good conscience, support NFTs for a variety of reasons and it's extremely disappointing to see Daz embrace it, though I'm admittedly not surprised.

    I can only hope Renderosity won't succumb to this NFT scam, but they likely will.

  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,594

    Jason Galterio said:

    Daz_Jessica said:

    Daz was founded on the concept of empowering artists and giving them an avenue to monetize from their talent and hard work. We are exploring NFTs (among other avenues) as an extension of that vision. We hope that in the future we can provide more avenues for artists to create and sell their works, if they so choose. 

    Daz values copyright law and has never sold images nor plans to sell images from the gallery without the signed agreement and purchase of that asset. 

    DAZ is selling NFTs, not images.

    If this is really DAZ's intent then this information should be posted right on the NFT page so there is no speculation or ambiguation regarding the artists that DAZ sells products to.

    Discusion about this should have been part of the plan. I.e, how such a communication should be rolled out to current customers. It shouldn't be being handled as an afterthought now in an unofficial forum.

    DAZ and Communication are two entirely different worlds, in entierely different galaxies. In two entirely different universes. 

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Nath said:

    certaintree38 said:

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    plasma_ring said:

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    If NFT's aren't your thing, this changes nothing in how the site or content works for you.

     

    Now, there have been a couple of good explanations of what NFT's are, but I'm going to really boil them down to the essence with one thing: What do you think the going price would be for a very old can of soup, so old that the expiration date of that soup passed years and years ago? Now, what do you think the going value of that same can of soup would be if it was proven to have been owned by Andy Warhol?

    It very much changes my relationship with the site, because NFTs are an ethical line for many people. My audience--the people I've been talking Daz up to for years--is on one side of the line. You are now firmly on the other.

    You are not selling an object of historical signficance. You're selling motion graphics that chug energy to put up for sale. None of us are Andy Warhol, either.  

    Don't sell yourself short, I've seen plenty of renders in the gallery that are more interesting than a painting of a can of soup.

    @Daz_Rawb

    Since commercial rights are required to use an image for marketing, and Daz uses gallery submissions for marketing, doesn't Daz then also have the rights to sell gallery submissions as NFTs?

    Sorry for the messy quote, I'm in bed and it's a pain to edit on my phone

    That's the thing with NFTs, anyone who wants to can sell NFTs of your works in DAZ's gallery...

    Like they are selling "unique identity tokens for every real estate and place on Earth"...

    I doubt that the real owners of those are aware.

  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,594

    deepswing said:

    I have read all the 7 (!) pages of comments now, but to be honest, I still don't get how this works. Now, let's assume I would be the customer, and I click on the link Daz provided where I can buy "something". I just learned that I get a link to a copy of a file (which might disappear at some point of time), but I still have this NFT, a long number. But - what do I do with it? Do I keep it and sell it somewhere to a higher price at some point of time? How does that work? And what is it I am actually selling here? Is this a kind of stock exchange Daz is entering now??

    Its a bit like selling a square meter of real estate on the moon. You don't have it, you cannot visit it (right now). All you have is a piece of paper from some more-or-(most lilkely)less trustworthy organization that tells you "Congrats, you own a square meter on the moon." 

  • rekrek Posts: 45

    ihavedna said:

    I avoid the forums like the plague, but this is a serious ethical violation that I hope we all continue to speak up on. I made a post to the blog which I don't think will get approved, so I will share it here:

    -----

    No... thats not what this article is doing, Admin. This article and ones you've planned to come after it are capitalizing on a current trending topic in hopes of profiting off of an unethical and ecologically damaging practice.

    This article has completely sidestepped any and all criticism of the subject here in your first introductory post. Even if it did mention how bad the entire system is for long term economic health, if you then went on to become an educator on the subject, you enable its use.

    By being a purveyor of information on the subject, you become a supporter of a destructive system.

    You made a choice to publish an article that makes NFTs fun and exciting instead of making an ethical decision to speak out against the practice. You can't just offset your NFT carbon, Admins. The entire cryptocurrency economy is about creating heat and energy waste to create profit with no other redeemable qualities of 'work'.

    Please, take a stance AGAINST Crypto instead of supporting it. Buck the trend and don't chase that money. The internet doesn't need another person explaining NFTs and enabling their creation is use. The internet needs more companies with strong communities to speak out against the practice.

    ----

    I think the biggest middle finger of this whole announcement was changing the site navigation to prioritize NFTs over community content like the gallery. Kind of mindblowing

    This sums up how I feel. I'm really shocked by this development.

     

     

  • BlueFingersBlueFingers Posts: 903
    edited March 2021

    I think ownership rights are all stored in the etherium blockchain, so you would still be a registered owner but not sure if the actual assett is as safe.

     

    Gosh, this thread moves fast.

    Post edited by BlueFingers on
  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,725

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    If NFT's aren't your thing, this changes nothing in how the site or content works for you.

    ....

    I have absolutely no interest in NFTs or  obtaining an etherum account. So, I hope this continues to be true and that obtaining content for DS never requires NFTs. 

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    deepswing said:

    I have read all the 7 (!) pages of comments now, but to be honest, I still don't get how this works. Now, let's assume I would be the customer, and I click on the link Daz provided where I can buy "something". I just learned that I get a link to a copy of a file (which might disappear at some point of time), but I still have this NFT, a long number. But - what do I do with it? Do I keep it and sell it somewhere to a higher price at some point of time? How does that work? And what is it I am actually selling here? Is this a kind of stock exchange Daz is entering now??

    Its a bit like selling a square meter of real estate on the moon. You don't have it, you cannot visit it (right now). All you have is a piece of paper from some more-or-(most lilkely)less trustworthy organization that tells you "Congrats, you own a square meter on the moon." 

    At least I can go visit my 1 sq ft of land in Scotland. :P 

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    BlueFingers said:

    I think ownership rights are all stored in the etherium blockchain, so you would still be a registered owner but not sure if the actual assett is as safe.

    And there is still also nothing preventing the person who created the NFT to sell multiple "original" links to the same piece of artwork. It's a scam. 

  • deepswingdeepswing Posts: 152

    melissastjames said:

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    deepswing said:

    I have read all the 7 (!) pages of comments now, but to be honest, I still don't get how this works. Now, let's assume I would be the customer, and I click on the link Daz provided where I can buy "something". I just learned that I get a link to a copy of a file (which might disappear at some point of time), but I still have this NFT, a long number. But - what do I do with it? Do I keep it and sell it somewhere to a higher price at some point of time? How does that work? And what is it I am actually selling here? Is this a kind of stock exchange Daz is entering now??

    Its a bit like selling a square meter of real estate on the moon. You don't have it, you cannot visit it (right now). All you have is a piece of paper from some more-or-(most lilkely)less trustworthy organization that tells you "Congrats, you own a square meter on the moon." 

    At least I can go visit my 1 sq ft of land in Scotland. :P 

    Can I at least sell my real estate on the moon later, hoping that it's now worth more? It reads that I am just selling a paper where it SAYS I have a sqm on the moon, but the actual sqm doesn't belong to me. Weird, and nothing for me.

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 1,025

    Daz_Jessica said:

    Daz was founded on the concept of empowering artists and giving them an avenue to monetize from their talent and hard work. We are exploring NFTs (among other avenues) as an extension of that vision. We hope that in the future we can provide more avenues for artists to create and sell their works, if they so choose. 

    Daz values copyright law and has never sold images nor plans to sell images from the gallery without the signed agreement and purchase of that asset. 

    Here is what people I already sell my art to associate with NFTs and the artists and brands that support them:

    • Environmental impact
    • Grifting
    • Art theft
    • Greed
    • Gullibility
    • Creepy love bombing from people obsessed with crypto
    • Thoughtlessness and self-interest dressed up as progress

    What avenue are you providing? Anyone here can go mint their art right now and attempt to sell it, if they can afford to bet the fees on a risky gamble. What other avenues are you exploring? I'd like to know now, because this came as a surprise.

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    deepswing said:

    melissastjames said:

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    deepswing said:

    I have read all the 7 (!) pages of comments now, but to be honest, I still don't get how this works. Now, let's assume I would be the customer, and I click on the link Daz provided where I can buy "something". I just learned that I get a link to a copy of a file (which might disappear at some point of time), but I still have this NFT, a long number. But - what do I do with it? Do I keep it and sell it somewhere to a higher price at some point of time? How does that work? And what is it I am actually selling here? Is this a kind of stock exchange Daz is entering now??

    Its a bit like selling a square meter of real estate on the moon. You don't have it, you cannot visit it (right now). All you have is a piece of paper from some more-or-(most lilkely)less trustworthy organization that tells you "Congrats, you own a square meter on the moon." 

    At least I can go visit my 1 sq ft of land in Scotland. :P 

    Can I at least sell my real estate on the moon later, hoping that it's now worth more? It reads that I am just selling a paper where it SAYS I have a sqm on the moon, but the actual sqm doesn't belong to me. Weird, and nothing for me.

    It's like buying air on idea that Chris Evans breathed three molecules of it.  

  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,594

    And this "other avenues" are scaring me right now.

  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675
    Even the people I know that like cryptocurrency think NFTs are a money laundering scam.
  • BlueFingersBlueFingers Posts: 903

    Do you think in the future we'll get special deals with Daz if we pay with ethereum? cheeky

  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,594
    edited March 2021

    BlueFingers said:

    Do you think in the future we'll get special deals with Daz if we pay with ethereum? cheeky

    Perhaps a free slap in the face? Or a free visit to the madhouse of your choice laugh?  Of course, to get out again, you need to buy a NFT.

    Post edited by Mark_e593e0a5 on
  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 2,742

    deepswing said:

    melissastjames said:

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    deepswing said:

    I have read all the 7 (!) pages of comments now, but to be honest, I still don't get how this works. Now, let's assume I would be the customer, and I click on the link Daz provided where I can buy "something". I just learned that I get a link to a copy of a file (which might disappear at some point of time), but I still have this NFT, a long number. But - what do I do with it? Do I keep it and sell it somewhere to a higher price at some point of time? How does that work? And what is it I am actually selling here? Is this a kind of stock exchange Daz is entering now??

    Its a bit like selling a square meter of real estate on the moon. You don't have it, you cannot visit it (right now). All you have is a piece of paper from some more-or-(most lilkely)less trustworthy organization that tells you "Congrats, you own a square meter on the moon." 

    At least I can go visit my 1 sq ft of land in Scotland. :P 

    Can I at least sell my real estate on the moon later, hoping that it's now worth more? It reads that I am just selling a paper where it SAYS I have a sqm on the moon, but the actual sqm doesn't belong to me. Weird, and nothing for me.

    Nope, you couldn't, and you can never actually own any real estate on the moon, because of art. 11 of the so-called 'moon treaty' : Neither the surface nor the subsurface of the moon, nor any part thereof or natural resources in place, shall become property of any State, international intergovernmental or non-governmental organization, national organization or non-governmental entity or of any natural person.

    So it's really just a scam and nothing more. Same goes for all the other celestial bodies out there, stars and whatnot. Can't own them legally.

    Well, until a majority of states decide to come to some other agreement, that is ...

  • tskmetskme Posts: 25

    The thing that I'd like explained is why Daz was diverting resources from a website held together by duct tape to promote an idea that predictably fell flat on the face with this community.

  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675
    69 million dollars. That's why.
  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,594

    tsroemi said:

    deepswing said:

    melissastjames said:

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    deepswing said:

    I have read all the 7 (!) pages of comments now, but to be honest, I still don't get how this works. Now, let's assume I would be the customer, and I click on the link Daz provided where I can buy "something". I just learned that I get a link to a copy of a file (which might disappear at some point of time), but I still have this NFT, a long number. But - what do I do with it? Do I keep it and sell it somewhere to a higher price at some point of time? How does that work? And what is it I am actually selling here? Is this a kind of stock exchange Daz is entering now??

    Its a bit like selling a square meter of real estate on the moon. You don't have it, you cannot visit it (right now). All you have is a piece of paper from some more-or-(most lilkely)less trustworthy organization that tells you "Congrats, you own a square meter on the moon." 

    At least I can go visit my 1 sq ft of land in Scotland. :P 

    Can I at least sell my real estate on the moon later, hoping that it's now worth more? It reads that I am just selling a paper where it SAYS I have a sqm on the moon, but the actual sqm doesn't belong to me. Weird, and nothing for me.

    Nope, you couldn't, and you can never actually own any real estate on the moon, because of art. 11 of the so-called 'moon treaty' : Neither the surface nor the subsurface of the moon, nor any part thereof or natural resources in place, shall become property of any State, international intergovernmental or non-governmental organization, national organization or non-governmental entity or of any natural person.

    So it's really just a scam and nothing more. Same goes for all the other celestial bodies out there, stars and whatnot. Can't own them legally.

    Well, until a majority of states decide to come to some other agreement, that is ...

    While that treaty is in fact in place, only 18 states have signed it, excluding: the US of America, China, The USSR.... The two largest signees are France and Australia.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,765

    tskme said:

    The thing that I'd like explained is why Daz was diverting resources from a website held together by duct tape to promote an idea that predictably fell flat on the face with this community.

    Making a product page on the existing site is, I think, fairly quick - making chnages to the underlying coe is not, and mostly requires other people.

  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,594

    tskme said:

    The thing that I'd like explained is why Daz was diverting resources from a website held together by duct tape to promote an idea that predictably fell flat on the face with this community.

    At least, the duct tape seems to be holding well, Most of the times laugh.

    Perhaps they need more funding to maintain to keep the website falling apart? 

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    edited March 2021

    Make no mistake...  DAZ is attempting to sell these NFTs to their existing customers.

    Why else would they be doing this? No one else is going to find them. No one is going to accidentally happen upon the DAZ site and think "oh, I can buy some NFTs!"

    We are who they think their customers are for these items.

    Why else would these come with "extra unlockables" which are partially comprised of DAZ assets? No random person is going to buy the NFT because of those add ons.

    Post edited by Jason Galterio on
  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 2,742

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    tsroemi said:

    deepswing said:

    melissastjames said:

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    deepswing said:

    I have read all the 7 (!) pages of comments now, but to be honest, I still don't get how this works. Now, let's assume I would be the customer, and I click on the link Daz provided where I can buy "something". I just learned that I get a link to a copy of a file (which might disappear at some point of time), but I still have this NFT, a long number. But - what do I do with it? Do I keep it and sell it somewhere to a higher price at some point of time? How does that work? And what is it I am actually selling here? Is this a kind of stock exchange Daz is entering now??

    Its a bit like selling a square meter of real estate on the moon. You don't have it, you cannot visit it (right now). All you have is a piece of paper from some more-or-(most lilkely)less trustworthy organization that tells you "Congrats, you own a square meter on the moon." 

    At least I can go visit my 1 sq ft of land in Scotland. :P 

    Can I at least sell my real estate on the moon later, hoping that it's now worth more? It reads that I am just selling a paper where it SAYS I have a sqm on the moon, but the actual sqm doesn't belong to me. Weird, and nothing for me.

    Nope, you couldn't, and you can never actually own any real estate on the moon, because of art. 11 of the so-called 'moon treaty' : Neither the surface nor the subsurface of the moon, nor any part thereof or natural resources in place, shall become property of any State, international intergovernmental or non-governmental organization, national organization or non-governmental entity or of any natural person.

    So it's really just a scam and nothing more. Same goes for all the other celestial bodies out there, stars and whatnot. Can't own them legally.

    Well, until a majority of states decide to come to some other agreement, that is ...

    While that treaty is in fact in place, only 18 states have signed it, excluding: the US of America, China, The USSR.... The two largest signees are France and Australia.

    Don't mean to hijack the thread, so just real quick: doesn't matter if states signed that or not, because the gist of art. 11 - impossibility to own celestial bodies - is considered customary international law, meaning you're bound by it whether you like it or not ;-) But again, it's not set in stone either, so can be changed.

  • BlueFingersBlueFingers Posts: 903
    edited March 2021

    So can you pay for these NFTs with paypal? Because the paypal process is still down for me at the Daz store. Unbelievable they have implemented an Ethereum wallet option, while the paypal process has been down for me over two weeks now. It doesn't feel right.

    Post edited by BlueFingers on
  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675
    Alright, show of hands. Who here has ethereum? Or $400 for a .gif?
  • tskmetskme Posts: 25

    certaintree38 said:

    69 million dollars. That's why.

    Of course, now that begs the question, why should I trust Daz with selling NFT, when the store links stopped working on day one for them.
    I  think Daz needs to take a good look at itself and remember what the core business is. The store has and still is a mess of programming, with sales being applied incorrectly, discounts going off and being taken down, search function still not working right, etc pp.

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 2,742

    Jason Galterio said:

    Make no mistake...  DAZ is attempting to sell these NFTs to their existing customers.

    Why else would they be doing this? No one else is going to find them. No one is going to accidentally happen upon the DAZ site and think "oh, I can buy some NFTs!"

    We are who they think their customers are for these items.

    Why else would these come with "extra unlockables" which are partially comprised of DAZ assets? No random person is going to buy the NFT because of those add ons.

    That does make sense, I was wondering about the add-on thingies. But, like ... a really weird and complicated way to sell stuff that people would have bought normally in the store without any fuss, no? Or are the add-ons just meant as incentives to get us to buy the NFTs? But what would I need them for?

  • ShadowBox24ShadowBox24 Posts: 184

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    BlueFingers said:

    Do you think in the future we'll get special deals with Daz if we pay with ethereum? cheeky

    Perhaps a free slap in the face? Or a free visit to the madhouse of your choice laugh?  Of course, to get out again, you need to buy a NFT.

    Mark e593eoa5.......  LOL laughsmiley U crack me up!   Ohhhh my belly....laugh

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