AI is going to be our biggest game changer
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meh bang your clothes on the rocks in the Ganges then while I enjoy my nice clean sheets
It will be about $500-$600 for a 12 month subscription with Midjourney which includes keeping your images private. It does me no good to create images that go into the public domain. One issue I'm having with any AI is the size of the render. Midjourney has a max of about 2048 x 2048 but can be upsized. The AI's I've played with, they all cost money for professional level usage. It's my impression the vast majority here are hobbyists and don't realize the potential of earning some type of income on the side with 3D or AI. Or realize the pitfalls of changing technology and that goes for Daz too. I believe Daz is feeling the pinch from competition and raised their prices to maintain revenue but that strategy will eventually fail. When I say "competition" I mean from entities such as Adobe, 3D is creeping into their suite of products and is but one example. How far that will go remains to be seen. I see a lot of opportunity for commercial art applications but no one seems to be investing many resources in an inductry dominated by hobbyists, at least for the time being. These may be scary times for PA's, Daz, and freelance artists.
I'd have thought restoring the expresions would be fiddly, but obviusly it is up to you to balance the trade offs to fit your needs and preferences.
I don't use Midjourney, I've read their terms of service and they're a little bit confusing...seems like you own the pictures, but you grant them a perpetual license too. Stability AI did state on their FAQ that copyright varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. That sounds like it applies both to their web app and the local version. I don't know about DALLE-2. But if AI generated images are public domain by default, then the only way to keep other people from using them is either to have the stealth mode in Midjourney or have them generated locally. I have no plans to use AI generations commercially, but either way, at least for me, it was much easier to look into Stable Diffusion. (It's mostly curiosity to see what it can do, but also you can see its back end unlike the others and look into its code.) Its maximum resolution is also 2048x2048, some versions of it come with some build in upscalers. I did download custom upscaling algorithms before that for other purposes and use them with an open source program called chaiNNer. I've also tried plugins like pix2pix and they're pretty interesting.
I really don't like the attitude of many people who use it, but there are people who do use it more as a part of their workflow and not a magic button for pictures. I've tried to integrate it in my workflow as well.
Maybe it's just me, but the censorship Midjourney has is pretty scary. I won't argue with an NSFW filter, but what if I use some of their banned words too many times and get banned from the Discord server altogether. In that case, would there be a refund? I really don't know.
Many other AI image generators I've encountered seem to be running some sort of Stable Diffusion as well, but somewhat modified.
inflicting yet another one or my unskilled artless AI videos on you all
to lighten the thread
I don't know if you are refering to my post.
Yes, my text was short and only reflects my feelings about this matter, and has not been intended to judge other artists work.
My more elaborated opinion on this is this, as I have already posted it before.
So I just quote myself:
"Again:
What can AI do for me in completing my artistic process?
Where is that AI, that can give me photo real skin shaders, when I name a shader skin?
All I needed to add would be my favorite skin maps.
(Just a little bit like in that Reality to Luxrender shader converter, but AI supported.)
Hair shaders are a huge challenge obviously.
Where is that Ai, that understands how human joints work?
E.G. a AI driven skelleton, that is placed inside a human mesh. Place the joints in the correct positions, and tell the AI skelleton about the character's weight, muscular, fat and bone size parameters.
The AI could render the correct Mesh distortion for the characters joint.
I know, that Cinema 4D 6.** had already weight mapping and a kind of JCM like feature back in the year 2000.
Why haven't we much progressed since then - 23 years later?
Same could be true for quadrapeds as well.
I don't want AI to do art for me by giving it key words and then it spits out something,
I want it to support my art in improving the tools."
I did not delete the post because of you, Masterstroke. Sorry for any confusion.
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It is interesting that some comment and look down on generative tools here, since Poser/Daz has had the same criticism by some "real" artists over the years. We joked about an instant render button and well, it's here.
I think it will make more people akin to an art director. I already can play with so many more visual ideas than before.
I run SD locally and it works great, and each month the tech improves, such as controller right now, which allows you to control more of the input.
I can tell immediately when something is painted or drawn by an artist vs. generated by A.I. (algorithms, or whatever you want to call it).
I don't think A.I. will affect traditional artists that much. Besides most collectors want original paintings, and the brushwork, palette knife, watercolor paper and pigment, and other mediums are uniquely there own. If A.I. can go that far to simulate all of that personal individuality that comes through in an individual artist's unique style, then yes, maybe I have something to worry about in the future as an artist. But what serious collector would collect the work of an artificial intelligence entity? What would that entity be outside of the art it generates? Would it have a name, like Picasso or Van Gogh? A personality to match? A life, filled with emotion and experiences that make us human?
I'm not saying that A.I. art will not be a popular medium. It's has a unique look of it's own, it's just that all artsts that use it to create something end up looking like every other artist doing the same.
Unless the A.I. is used to supplement filmmaking or other endeavors, where the final product is not the image generated, but the storyline by a script writer, I don't see it being that popular. You wouldn't go to a movie just to see a bunch of CGI montages with no storyline, right? CGI is a tool to and end, and A.I. will become the same.
Already, people are getting bored with stuff like Lensa, and it's use is already trending down.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/13/the-ai-photo-app-trend-has-already-fizzled-new-data-shows/
Well, that's my 2 cents anyway.
Yes, well, I don't know about you, but I still prefer hand-drawn comics over 3D-generated figure comics. It's just not the same.
But with video games, I prefer cool 3D generated characters over 2D representations.
I guess it depends on the end-product and the taste of the consumer.
I recently uploaded a bunch of AI generated images to my DeviantArt page to see what would happen... Very fast uptake in views, much faster than my other stuff (3D or 2D) - with a healthy amount of likes, BUT ZERO COMMENTS.
How I interpret this is that people will happily consume the end product, but do not appreciate whatever effort was put in because AI was used (I label the AI sruff as AI stuff),
I block anything with an ai label and block anyone I catch using AI without a label.
How I interpret this is that
Did you have a lot of comments on your 2D stuff? I'd find it hard to believe you had a bunch of comments appreciating all the work behind your 2D stuff, but few likes.
Seems like you went from low views, low likes and low comments to at least getting likes.
It could also be- that if your AI stuff improves, you might get some comments. There's always that to consider also....
As an animator I am eager to see AI evolve the capability to coherently
animate entire character bodies &scenes as it does with theses face by D-ID
This guy is an Unreal/DAZ/Iclone user
who has started a second video channel
just for his exploration of AI created works for story telling
https://www.youtube.com/@SoReeLRND
Here is what seems to be the effect of AI on submissions on one outlet for fiction submissions. Decide for yourselves if visual arts is similar.
http://neil-clarke.com/a-concerning-trend/
The same thing happens to me, and even with all of the AI art there, almost no one else gets any comments either. I don't exactly know why, but I don't think it's only an issue with AI artists. The only people who do get a lot of comments there these days are the ones who make the front page. I used to get many comments on my 3D art, which I always enjoyed because I could interact with those who like my art. Now, even my purely 3D stuff gets one or two comments.
I try the same thing as you. AI can be a tool, and AI can give 3d-render a more whimsical expression.
Out of curiosity I input my name with both a _ between my first and last name (how I often label my art) and also with the names separate. Neither time did the art look anything remotely like my art or myself. (Midjourney.) The only thing that was mine was a mixed up watermark/web info that I sometimes put on but always it shows in yellow which is not a color I use often for that and it looks more like what I've put on the bottom of some business art cards I give out at comic conventions than anything I post online. But the art is nothing like mine nor does it look like me (or even any other Alicia I can think of.) No idea how it' came up with this. I rarely even have characters facing forward and don't do this type of realism or characters this young.
Nice comparison.
Do you really think it's AI?
These AI programs just output a predefined look based on a bit of input. I don't think it's really AI of any sort.
They always look the same to me. You can tell almost instantly they are AI because it never resembles any artist's actual style. It looks like a portrait with some AI airbrushing and photos of flowers or background montaged in.
They are nice, but they become boring really fast.
I think it takes a real human being to give a portrait something magical and unique. You can see the soul of an artist in their work. AI has no soul.
Even the DAZ 3D renders show something about the artist who made them... A step above AI in my opinion.
So my computer was in for repair and I wanted to make a sexy Valentine's Day card for my boyfriend so I tried Midjourney on my iPad. It took like 100 tries with refinements to have something decent (some had 3 legs and worse!) it's especially hard to get a decent face AND body. But I got it close enough then brought it into Snapseed, and then some selfie altering apps that I discovered works great for my purposes, you can even change makeup and eyebrows, reshape face, eyes, lips! It's really a better art tool in many ways than photoshop! I ended up spending as much time on this as I would have on a render plus post on the computer and I really like how it finally came out. Is it cheating? Well yeah, but I still feel like I put in so much creative input and time that's it's more based on AI rather than pure AI and really when we use PA clothes, hair, morphs and skin, is that cheating any less? I always do post so no matter what I'm doing I put a lot of creative input into it, but I realize that using AI as a base can actually lead to a creative image that's your own if you add a lot of your own changes to it, especially in post.
This is funny, every time I use my own name, it just gets a mixed up letters version of my watermarks but the art has nothing to do with mine, even when I'm specific with how I named it when posting online. That does give me a little cpmfort. So even if you see someone's signature, it's probably not on their actual art.
I think the effect AI has had on art is to diminish its value, overall.
If I can't find any human aspect, I tend to pause.
It's also causing greater scrutiny as I now scan things before I let myself like it. lolz
It's like I must spend more time on analyzing the PROCESS then judging the PRODUCT.
And since everyone is basically anonymous on the internet(s) you have no idea who made what.
So older images of stuffs- can get a like- instantly because I can skip the scrutiny of Process and just decide whether or not it looks cool.
Modern works, no, not anymore.
Now that could be just me (with critical pseudo-art-critical, critic hat on).
Anecdote coming in!
Yesterday, I saw a picture of Batman and Catwoman that was getting lots of attention. It was generated by AI and had the catwoman had six fingers etc....
And the Batman figure was 'thinner' than expected, which is why they were being ribbed for making "Catwoman and Catman".
But, really, no one seemed to care that it was AI. Well, someone pointed it out eventually.
Will it create the same character consistently in a bunch of different renders? Or does it make something totally different for the character every time, even if you want the same looking character?
I was thinking this could be a fun and easy way to create illustrations for a children's book, but only if the program is consistent with the same characters in different settings. If it's all random, I guess it would not work.
Are you a proferssional artist? Most art is COMMERICAL oriented and buyers want cheap graphics and they don't care where it comes from. And if it's easy for them to do it on their own, they are going to bypass the artist. I've been watching my income steadily drop the past few years because technology has made it easy for casual artists to put their toe in the water. There are web sites where photographers and artists put their work in the public domain because they are so desparate to call themselves a "published artist" that they're will to work for free.
Yes, I am a professional artist. And I too have seen my income dropping steadily over the last year. It actually went up during the pandemic because I think most people were purchasing art online.
I'm not sure the decrease lately has been due to AI because I just thought less people are shopping online, and because of inflation they have less to spend in general, and art is not a necessity like food and shelter.
So I cannot say I'm not worried about this AI stuff to be honest, but I'm not going to look for another profession just because a computer wants to take my job! LOL
https://pixels.com/profiles/1-michael-creese
I would also add that platforms like INPRNT.com have recently released policies where they will no longer accept AI generated art.
So I think the art and print houses are catching on to this AI flood of mediocre art, and rightly so, they do not want it to water down there artistic offerings.
They also do not want the copyright headaches.
No it will not produce the same character consistently. I found it's hard to get a decent head and body together. You can get a beautiful face but then it has 3 legs and 8 fingers or parts of the clothes are weird. It's pretty hard to get a usable image without major postwork. It can work well as a base but you need to have certain Photoshop skills or can even use various phone or iPad apps but most images have issues as is if you look closely. Often expressions are weird, eyes looking in different directions, artifacts everywhere. It is not completed art. But if you need a quick base and are good with postwork, it can be interesting. If you have drawing skills you can definitely put your own spin on it and fix up all the errors. Many people use stock photos commercially, at least these are more original and require more talent and creativity to make look good.