What do I need to make my dream girl
philipcoombesisnt_5d36e0b576
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Hello,
I am new to Daz-3D. I have just watched the tutorial videos created by Val.
Really excited to get started but not sure which stuff I need.
I would like to know which packs I will need to get started with making my dream girl. I have not done any 3D modelling before.
I just want to make hot girl art.
What do I need to buy?
Thank you in advance.
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How can we know what appeals to you? Art is disputable :).
If I were you, I'd start by learning with free content. This way you can estimate what you need. Which figure will you use most often? Read my post here please: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewreply/598284/. Search Freepository, get yourself a few free clothing sets (you could start at Wilmap's thread as she'll keep you supplied with delightful FREE modern clothes), any free hairstyle you can find since they are quite rare at the time being and vanish quickly as more old sites go extinct. DieTrying's 182 Morphs for Genesis/Gen2F/Gen2M (I guess so). You'll need to learn the basics before you decide on what to buy.
Well, first a little terminology. If you're talking about using Daz Studio or Poser, you're NOT going to be modelling. You are going to be taking other peoples models (that you have paid for the rights to use) and modifying them to create art.
If you want to create your own original models, you have to get into another program.
...Like Hexagon if you want it from DAZ :P.
Thank you for your quick responses. You are right, but I do not even know what she looks like yet.
I guess I would like to know the best female model with the most free clothes hair etc...
Hi friend, I recommend beginning with Szarks thread: Somethings to consider when starting to learn CG.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/10835/
When I first began, I had similar thoughts as yourself. I began with lot's of confusion. Had no idea, where to start, or how to create. I began with Genesis/Basic female, for the reason tremendous free content. Wilmap (Wendy) provides lot's of wonderful fashion for Genesis and now Genesis 2,. She also provides other content, such as furniture, etc.....
http://www.sharecg.com/pf/full_uploads.php?pf_user_name=wilmap
I purchased Genesis evolution morph bundle, to learn how to morph. :
http://www.daz3d.com/genesis-evolution-morph-bundle
I ask'd lot's of questions, pertaining to characters choices, textures, etc..... You can follow by searching all my username posts. After months of researcing/reading, I purchased Victoria 4, my favorite character vendor is Sabby.
Novica provides tutorials and tons of information, on various content/characters/texures, etc.....
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/19756/
What I've learned is most important when learning any 3D software is, learn the tools the softwares provide, learning to use software such as DS in comfort. Have fun :-)
If you plan to make female only renders, then Gen2F which is shipped for free with DS should be the one you're looking for (Genesis 2 Female Starter Essentials, although you should install all essentials you got with DS). She has a constantly growing wardrobe of clothes, hairstyles and textures. She can also use quite a lot of older content via autofitting features. If I were you, I'd start by grabbing all sets by Wilmap to have a base, take a look at Gen2F freebie list (it's quite outdated, I used to maintain it, but then had to stop and I see few of the new releases are posted there) and definitely at the hair listing in Freepository. Hairstyles are the rarest freebie type and you'll need every you can get your hands on, because they change the character's appearance more than clothes do. Definitely get all the free items from DAZ as well, they'll remain in your account forever (or as long as DAZ is around) and you never know what you'll find handy at some point. The post I pointed you to lists everything that's truly free at the moment. Definitely get SF Warrior Bundle, because it has several good items and an interactive lesson. If you want, I could even show you my humble must-have lists sorted by hairstyles, clothes, character sets and props. Those are only links I keep for reference purposes, if they can help you out, I'd be glad.
Learn the differences between Genesis, Gen2F and Gen2M as well. Genesis allows the best variety of morphing. You can have a child, a woman, a man, a monster, even a gorilla just by using the single figure. Genesis can use both older (Generation 4 and 3) and newer (Gen2F, Gen2M) clothing, hairstyles, poses, partially even textures. Gen2F and Gen2M are figures split by gender. They offer better anatomy, but you are restricted by their gender (and trust me, if you're into children, fantasy or SF renders, it is a downside). All three figures are shipped for free with DS. Most freebies support Generation 4 figures like V4, M4 and K4: clothes, hairstyles and poses can be used on the newer figures via autofitting features. Textures vary. V4, M4 and K4 are supported by Genesis out of the box, whereas the newer use both their own and Generation 5 (Genesis) UV-maps (Gen2F - V5, Gen2M - M5). You can expand your choices by getting addons, but at this point, I recommend to learn the basics instead of a shopping frenzy, you'll need the money later :). Have you already checked what you got with DS? If not, I can partially list the stuff.
EDIT:
I digged up DieTrying's 182 morph sets for you, they support each of the figures shipped with DS:
http://www.sharecg.com/v/73186/browse/21/DAZ-Studio/DieTryings-182-Morphs-for-Genesis-2-Male
http://www.sharecg.com/v/72792/favorite/21/DAZ-Studio/DieTryings-182-Morphs-for-Genesis-2-Female
http://www.sharecg.com/v/58198/favorite/21/DAZ-Studio/DieTryings-182-V4-Morphs-for-Genesis
PS Speaking of free figures, there are also Antonia Polygon and Dawn, but they have relatively little content, especially when it comes to freebies.
thanks for posting the links to DieTryings morphs, I have wanted to d/l them for a while :)
My pleasure, I adore them - they're very versatile and before you get yourself some Genesis characters that need Evolution Bundle or Creature Creator, one can basically use them without any additions. I love Smacky preset SnowSultan made with them. In returned, I prepared a child version of that awesome heroine using DieTrying's morphs as well - even Young Teen Julie I blended to speed up the process is not compulsory for the character to look nice and remember Smacky is an African-like beauty, which are scarce even on the market. So, DieTrying and Sickleyield who converted the morphs from V4, you rock!
EDIT:
I also thought that Pinup Girl Pack for Genesis could be useful as it does not need any other morphs:
http://www.sharecg.com/v/60194/related/21/DAZ-Studio/The-Pin-Up-Girl-Pack-for-Genesis
As you can see, there are many items to choose from. You can even take one of Sabby's or P3D's conversions of their V4 characters onto Genesis, but you won't have their textures (you'd have to buy them):
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/?item_id=70647
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/?item_id=71874
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/?item_id=71873
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/?item_id=71194
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/?item_id=73121 (this one is a fully textured character for V4, the skin can be applied onto Genesis without any difficulties)
There are some really beautiful models for V4, V5/Genesis, and Genesis 2, on the DAZ Shop. I for one would recommend browsing through and looking for what quirks your interest. I'm working on my own digital comic and had some pretty exacting standards for what I wanted in a model. I thought going in, "I will have to make my own," but there is no way I could ever have made some of the gorgeous models on the DAZ shop.
Some I can recommend are:
Sasi Daisi for V4/Genesis (I use the Genesis one myself)
Cassie for Genesis
Ariella for Genesis
They are beautifully done models. I particularly liked Sasi Daisi and chose it for the starring character (Supergirl). My profile pic at the left is done using that model.
Personal tastes vary. I'd still advise to try if you can make your woman using free kits before you buy.
Hi
I'm going to go a bit against the flow here, and suggest if you can afford the investment; its better to spend a little money up front to get what you want. First off I suggest you search about for V4 Charactors. Victoria 4 still has the largest, best supported library out there and you have every chance of finding a charactor that is quite close to your dream girl. There are many charactor models at DAZ3d.com / Rederosity/ and most-Disgital-creationa; and most of them require Victoria 4.
A good many of the Charactors you find will require, the ++Morphs and/or Elite Morphs Packages; the price tag might seem a little steep, at $29 for the ++ Morphs and $29 more for the Elite Body shapes package, but you will find this opens up a massive library of content and Charactors; there is just an immense library of V4 Material out there, and most of it adapts well to Genesis (1)
You will also find a very large library of free poses and props at most-digital; but as the poses down load one at a time, building even a small library can be very time consuming and again investing in a small collection might be your better option.
The attached pic is my "Claudia" she's based on a fictional charactor I developed over time in some short fiction I write, to recreate her in DAZ I needed.
Jillian from Daz for her face and base body type; which requires the morphs mentioned above.
http://www.daz3d.com/jillian
The Skin came from Renderosity's Raeven character, as did her "Gothic Long Hair."
And her spec's I'm pretty sure are a free prop from Most-Digital but I cant find that link just now.
http://www.most-digital-creations.com/
Claudia probably cost me just over $100 with Morphs, and characters, and intimates thrown in; but you get what you pay for in CG, if you go with a free toon, free cloths, free stuff; your not going to get the hot charactor you want to pose.
If you want to go good Glamour Work, your going to need to invest in your Model; and the $100 I spent on Claudia would not cover more than 2 hours with a real model; and I can ring Claudia up anytime day or night I want to work on an idea for a shot, or shoot.
So again ask yourself if its worth the investment.
Take a good look around, find your 'Dream Girl' make a shopping list based around what she would need and work towards that... then your not wasting time and money on something you dont really want. Set a Goal and get there.
Happy Shooting. BB.
I cannot agree with what you wrote. V4 has a big market, sure - she's been around for much longer than the other figures. Fortunately, clothes, hairstyles and poses - heck, even textures! - made for her can be used on Genesis and perhaps with a bit more tweaking Gen2F/Gen2M. However, nobody knows when she will slowly become less supported. I estimate she still has a few years to go: Poser doesn't love DSON, which is needed to use TriAx figures like Genesis and Gen2F/Gen2M, while Poser figures like Anastasia still look much worse for the majority of 3D users.
Starting out with spending $100 is the worst thing one can do in 3D if you're not a real nabob. 3D is expensive and you will have to buy the majority of props, hairstyles, clothes and, of course, morphs. Thus persuading a newbie to buy V4 and all her stuff (let's count most V4 characters need Morphs++, A4, then another lot S4 and Elite Morphs) is suicide. Who knows what appeals to Iceman? He or she didn't say a word about it. What if he/she changes his/her mind and decides to go for adolescent or male renders? Don't tell me V4 has Vittorio morph, because I can count stuff that supports him... her... it... on a single palm of a war veteran :P. I'd be much better to buy Genesis Evolution Morph Bundle that exchanges Morphs++ from Generation 4 and probably Genesis Creature Creator Bundle (both when on Fast Grab, they show up quite frequently there). Still, Iceman, check what you get out of the box.
Another thing is buying poses. I don't intend to say all those vendors who sell them aren't needed. Heck, their work is amazing! But considering a newbie still has a huge bill to invest, posing requires just simple knowledge of human anatomy to understand how the body bends and adding to it the abundance of free poses out there, starting with buying poses doesn't sound good for a newbie. Most-Digital-Creations DOES support parallel downloads. I don't know why you're using the reasoning that it will take ages to get them. I, of course, have no idea about your Internet provider, but for me a typical pack by AdamThwaites downloads in seconds. He's got outstanding packs for free AND they're the perfect choice for female renders, because now they support V4, V5 (a shape for Genesis) and V6 (a shape for Gen2F)! I still second what the others said: first, check what you get for free and then fill the gaps with purchasables.
A short summary of what are the most popular morph packs from DAZ for each figure:
a) Genesis:
- http://www.daz3d.com/morphs/genesis-evolution-morph-bundle
- http://www.daz3d.com/morphs/genesis-creature-creator-bundle
- http://www.daz3d.com/morphs/ethnicity-for-genesis-bundle
b) Gen2F:
- http://www.daz3d.com/morphs/genesis-2-female-morphs-bundle
c) Gen2M:
- http://www.daz3d.com/morphs/genesis-2-male-s-morphs-bundle
d) V4:
- http://www.daz3d.com/morphs/victoria-4-2-morphs
- http://www.daz3d.com/aiko-4-base
- http://www.daz3d.com/stephanie-4-elite-base
- http://www.daz3d.com/morphs/v4-elite-body-shapes
- http://www.daz3d.com/v4-elite-ethnic-faces
e) M4:
- http://www.daz3d.com/morphs/michael-4-morphs
- http://www.daz3d.com/hiro-4-base
- http://www.daz3d.com/morphs/m4-elite-body-shapes
- http://www.daz3d.com/m4-elite-ethnic-faces
Two bundles that cover the majority of them:
- http://www.daz3d.com/daz-bundles/super-physicality-bundle (without A4, S4, H4 and Ethnic Faces)
- http://www.daz3d.com/daz-bundles/genesis-michael-victoria-combo-bundle
I think basic maths will show how much it costs... You've got time, I am sure that over a timespan, you will get most of those sets, but getting them all at one time... ouch. To sum it up, a better idea if you really have to get rid of your money as soon as possible, get GenX - preferably the second version. This way you can transfer morphs designed for Generation 3 or 4 to Genesis, with Genesis 2 addon, Gen2F/Gen2M to Genesis. Even the other way around, I think, when it comes to Genesis-Genesis 2.
Don't forget TriAx figures like Genesis and Gen2F/Gen2M bend much better than Generation 4 ones!
We'll wind up agreeing to disagree here, but the guidance is not mine alone as Paolo Ciccone The Complete Guide to DAZ Studio 4 by (Oct 14, 2013) ; points out if you Google for Genesis Models, faces, poses whatever you simply don't get the hits; Search for anything for V4 and you have a rich vein to mine. Which my own experience confirmed for me, I wasted a lot of time searching for Genesis or DAZ; before I read Paolo's book and realized why I was not getting results.
Will V4 fade into oblivion; sure eventually, but no time soon. Vic is old but well supported. Gen 5 Crashed and burned because it was not v4 compatible. Gen 6 is newer, a real advanced; but will take years to catch up in support and content; and the OP is obviously a young person who wants to get real results now. . For myself I still concur with Paolo and use V4 content Exclusively now. The OP at the end of the day will have to make his own choices as to how to spend his time and money; and I still suggest to the OP find a character you like v4 Gen 6 whatever make a list and knock it out; but let the Character drive the decision; not the Model/frame, that will save you time and money in the end; but living ain't free and 100 bucks, ain't much seed money for any hobby in the world we live in; its the price of 2 video games.
btw Iceman, Paolo's book is a very good Manual if your getting started in DAZ, you should check it out; the Kindle edition is pretty inexpensive. Oh dear more money. ; ) BB.
I'd also support what Cecilia wrote, basically you can get a long way with what you already get for free in the Genesis / Genesis 2 Starter Essentials bundles plus the various morphs, textures, and accessories you can get for free on the market (on sharecg etc.). From then on you can decide what suits you and if you like where this is going. The freely available morphs / shapes may already get your dream girl and if not then you can at least see if that is the way you want to continue and you can e.g. buy the Genesis 2 Female(s) Morphs Bundle or similar then. No matter which character and technology you end up using, at least the basic morph bundles for such characters are a must buy in my book then later - like the one I linked for Genesis 2 Female.
Investment in V4 is something that should be carefully considered from my point of view. V4 is a widely supported model still, but essentially old technology and it still costs quite a bit of money to buy what is needed or even to get started. Just to make V4 behave on bends even close to Genesis / Genesis 2 usually requires to buy additional product(s). The morph / shape mixing capabilities of V4 are very limited on top (different technology), where Genesis / Genesis 2 excel. Personally I went from V4 (when the base was still free) through Genesis to Genesis 2. Concerning humanoid figures I am using Genesis 2 almost exclusively now - haven't touched V4 in ages. Genesis also gets used by myself, but mostly for non-human morphs.
In the end, I'd suggest to just try it out, check out the Freepozitory and other sites for free items and go from there. Be careful with hasty investments, I got into DAZ Studio by free items alone for a couple months when I started.
Good point, Renpatsu. I am by no means disencouraging from V4 or her purchasables. My main point is:
do your research on what you get for free and try to avoid purchases "on the go".
Why? Because in 3D, you have to invest and there are so many eye candies that tempt you, but turn out to be not exactly what you need (or if you suck at lights like I still do apart from UberEnvironment, which now works well with me, the results will be miserable no matter how good the product is).
"do your research on what you get for free and try to avoid purchases “on the go”."
Kind of my own point, Pick a Character you want to work with and let that Character drive your decisions. I explained my reasons above for going with a V4 toon; I still think its the best toon for the present moment; look at Adam's Photo Model and Bad Girl pose sets and you'll see what's possible with that frame.
Will check the freepozitory, but personally I found stuff on CGShare was largely the work of beginners and not up to speed; a few things I could use but mostly a waste of time searching that site; again that's a personal choice; but personally I cant see mixing a gen6 model with 2nd rate props.
If your counting every penny and looking at what will be my better long term investment 2,3, 5 years from now. Vic 6 or Gen2 are more likely your best choices; but we all have to make choices between immediate results, or long term rewards; and it seems clear to me from his first post the OP is more looking to getting some immediate results and having some fun with a little virtual Glamour (or perhaps more naughty) Photography. Cant agrue, photographing beautiful women will never get old. ; ) BB.
Lots of interesting advice here, about considering which base model to start with.
I looked around a lot before making my choice. My gut told me go with Gen 2, because it is the newest. Yes when I started (and maybe even still) there was less total stuff for G2 than for G1, but I knew that would change. And just look at the sales lately -- the clothing items are clearly weighted heavily to G2 forms.
However, the figure and variety is not always the only consideration. I started my foray into DAZ for the purpose of creating a comic-book based around specific characters (such as Supergirl), and after some experimentation (and a little money spent), I found that the Genesis Supersuit was ideal for this purpose. I tried making that item work with Gen 2, but it did not -- at least not in a way I could figure out. Since there was nothing that quite matched the Supersuit in flexibility and in what I needed it for, I ended up going with G1 instead of G2. So far I have not regretted the decision -- G1 is a very good and versatile figure.
In the end, I think for the OP, it really pays to look at what is currently available, and which things are able to up-convert to the next figure. Use the newest generation you can that still can "wear" the items you want it to wear (hair, clothing, etc). Test up-conversions when possible (the way I did with the Supersuit) before making your choices.
One bit of advice I would offer, if you are going to have multiple characters, is to pick one generation and stick with it for all your characters. This saves massive amounts of money, because all wardrobe items can be worn by all characters. Otherwise, you're going to find yourself having to re-buy items to make them fit right on other generations of character models. Not worth it, IMO.
I am afraid you misunderstood me, Blackbird. I'm saying to do research on HOW you want the model to look like, THEN check if you can achieve that look with less expensive stuff AND FINALLY grab the pricey things that fill the gap that may (but may not) be left after that. As Stephen.Viscido said above, the figure you will stick to will determine the choices afterwards. Genesis and Gen2F/Gen2M have this pro that they can use with better or worse results the majority of stuff for Generation 4. V4 unfortunately does not fulfill this gap. But it depends on one's tastes. A3 is still very popular with me because of her distinctive look. I'd wait for Iceman to speak up about what he or she expects, especially providing some references. Or Iceman has already made a decision and we are trying to help for nothing %-P.
I think SteveV. made some interesting points; btw love the Avatar; would be interested in a link to the comic if its online.
My own purposes are not that dissimilar I have a bit of Fan Fiction I would like to work up, and an illustrated story with my Claudia Character.
No dis Cecilla I think we agree on 90% of what we are saying, I think we are stressing different priorities; but neither of us would want Ice to waste his time or money, un-necessarily.
Ice if your following the conversation pls chime in, and please post a link to whatever Character(s) you select as your dream girl.
I think we would all be interested. BB.
Blackbird, if you are interested in seeing the first issue, send me a PM and I can set you up with a link to the file. You will need ComicRack or a similar comic eReader... and to be understanding that this is my first effort at this and I had some issues with the lighting in some panels. It is far from perfect.
I'll second that. Not to be read as "We are curious what your likes are", Rather If you look at some characters, they have a requirement tree. And the Entire path of requirements may not be needed if your goal is to only work with Genesis, or Genesis 2 base stuff.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/40345/
Now the other thought here is as the title somewhat implies, how do I "Make" my dream character. As with my thoughts for starting out.
a) look threw the store at characters, there may be one close, that just needs a little "Morph" adjustments to get there. I have limited experience with this and don't even know what morph slider came with what "morph package" (I was a fool and purchased them All first day). I am about to go back to my thread about face morphs and try that on the new computer-OS.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/40556/
That was with XP and Studio 32bit, I don't think it is any different for Win7 and Studio 64bit.
b) Start from scratch, and create the polygon mesh (whatever it is called). I'm fairly 'Shure', that Daz "Studio" alone is not quite up to this challenge, and some other 3D software will be needed for this (In addition to Studio). Honestly this looks way to complicated (And expensive) for My meager 3D beginner efforts.
Don't be dismayed, others here do this for a living, and have infinitely more experience with both of these options then me.
Hexagon or Blender could do the trick.
Well, there is tutorial on making your own morphs in hexagon I think. http://www.daz3d.com/tutorials/tutorial-morphing-genesis-2-female-with-daz-studio-and-hexagon Not sure if it was linked to already. Its one of those things I want to get eventually.
I have invested in cloth textures to make shaders out of and recolor clothes with. I invested in photoshop elements so I could use certain products.
My next thing to get is going to be this http://www.daz3d.com/new-releases/skin-builder-for-genesis-and-genesis2-female-s
If you find you like this enough to spend a little money, look for a sale and join the platinum club and get the $1.99 items to play with. Start with the free stuff and learn to use morphs. I like products that give you a lot of flexibility. That and major sales help. But you'd best be careful because there are a lot of good sales here and all those small orders add up. If you use your head, you can figure out ways to do a lot without investing too awfully much.
Daz3d figures are good to work with because:
1. You have lots of ready made morphs to work with.
2. Each figure can be 1000 hot girls.
3. You have ready made clothes and props to choose from.
But it may not have been mentioned, but with G2F you will need to purchase one pro pack female that comes with genitals to get that. I have seen a character that comes with a genital morph but most do not and do not come with textures for that. With Genesis you can buy the Michael 5 Victoria 5 bundle and get them with genitals. V4 clothing can be converted to Genesis and from there to the G2F. Shoes are a little work sometimes but very possible. With the platinum club membership you get 30% of daz originals like daz characters and morphs and clothing item etc. You get $1.99 clothing, scenes, buildings lots of things.
I had planned to get things only for G2F but because of a great deal on M5 and V5, I have been working more with Genesis. There are add-ons to move morphs from one generation to another, there are add-ons to get v4 textures onto G2F, there are add-ons that let you convert V4 clothing to Genesis and G2F. If you want to do it, if you need to do it, there will be an add-on for it. Really Daz3d models are like the coolest toys I never got at xmas. If you were doing traditional art you'd have money in brushes, canvas, paint, pastels, etc. With Daz Studio and Daz models, you will be tempted by things in the store, you just will. But if you look at ways to make and edit textures for characters and clothing you'll get a lot more millage out of the items you buy. And consider the value of being able to use older cheaper V4 clothing items on G2F. And no, conversions are not always perfect, so some things just may not work out.