Poser Pro 2014 Cloth Room - "puffy sleeves" problem

wargis

Hello! Need advice abouth handling cloth parameters in Poser 2014 Cloth Room, when mixing cloth groups in one piece of clothing - for example, in one dress. For instance, here is a blouse I want to make dynamic, it has the tight body-wrapping torso zone and cuffs and loose sleeves.
http://i60.fastpic.ru/big/2014/0420/8f/b040a06abd02c3f164bb6e33663d5e8f.jpg
The simplest way as I understood is to make the torso zone and cuffs constrained, and to leave the sleeves default (dynamic cloth). But when I attempt to do it, sleeves became puffy, like air-filled balloons and when posing they look ugly too. Here are some screenshots of the original model before the simulation and after this to illustrate that (I painted the model in different colors to separate different groups - constrained is green and default is yellow)/

The original model with normal shoulders and sleeves -
http://i57.fastpic.ru/big/2014/0420/d1/d77bafe60b69072fd66a6028920fd4d1.jpg

http://i59.fastpic.ru/big/2014/0420/39/e733229c104044ddab1f31db8f90d139.jpg

And here is the blouse after the simulation - the sleeves became unnaturally puffy -

http://i60.fastpic.ru/big/2014/0420/8f/b19a24c91580a75397b1c5f8a069228f.jpg

http://i59.fastpic.ru/big/2014/0420/2a/b83a3af9baf494a325328cb3552cc22a.jpg

I also tried the same thing with other clothes (conforming dresses I hope to make better posed as dynamic), but got the same wrong bulging, cause I miss some settings for default group. That is when I make the top of one whole dress constrained to fit the body better and the skirt of this dress default to get the natural appearance, I also get the same swelling on the border of groups. What settings should I set for the default cloth group to overcome it? I tried to set Air-Damping to 0, it doesn't help and if I make all the model default, it loses its shape, droops down on the torso and forms ugly wrinkles where I don't need them at all. I've read that there was a way in older Poser 7 to break a conforming dress like MFD (Morphing Fantasy Dress) to several groups including the constrained top and default skirt, but I've never tried this way before and the author did not mention the exact settings (although it seems he has not such a problem). How to do it in Poser 2014 and make the clothes keep their shape, close to the original zero shape without any such problems?

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Try some of the stuff here
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WandW

I can't seem to access the pictures, but you could try using the grouping tool to create new groups in the blouse......

wargis

Yes, the nasty image hosting blocks them again... Here are new links -
The original model -
http://postimg.org/image/eiu769nyp/
http://postimg.org/image/a7jikp9sz/
http://postimg.org/image/530jbj8l5/

And the same model after my attempts of the simulation
http://postimg.org/image/nfxgbbp25/
http://postimg.org/image/lya46g9e7/

I tried to regroup materials, including the part of sleeves in the constraint group or the part of torso in the default one to weld it with sleeves, but all the same I get the bulging zone at the very border of groups. Some people who used and use so far this mixed grouping in older Poser 7, told me they never had that problem with any dress, even when remaking the most problem conforming clothes like MFD to dynamic. For example, they could easily set the top of a dress like this as constraint and the skirt as default -
http://postimg.org/image/ynwy37wk1/

When I try to do it in Poser Pro 2014, I see the same bulging as in sleeves (in Poser 7 I did just several simple whole simulations and had to left it because of slowdown and crashing, never has much luck with such complex x86 software)/. Poser Pro works in the Cloth Room incomparably faster but I didn't go deep yet in its features and settings, maybe they differ a bit from Poser 7?).