Genesis vs. Genesis2, morphs and clothing
brucekeefe
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Hi,
I would like to use the sample Jeremy/Lana wetsuit for the Genesis character on a Genesis 2 character - any ideas? I would be happy to purchase a wetsuit for Genesis2, but it would need to be the same on the female/male character (essentially painted on the body) as it is for the Genesis version.
I have been unable to find details of the difference between Genesis and Genesis 2 characters, so would be interested to hear of these. I am primarily interested in morphing between male and female characters (using the morph bundles) and applying motion tracked kinematics to these characters using IPI Mocap Studio 2. Which version of the Genesis characters would be best suited to this purpose?
Thanks in advance for any help
Bruce
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The Lana wetsuit for Genesis is an alternate skin texture. The wetsuit is painted on the skin. This skin texture uses V4 UVs. If you have Victoria 4 for Genesis 2 Female you can apply it to Genesis 2 Female. It is already in DUF format so it will just work.
The Jeremy wetsuit fof Genesis is an alternate skin texture that uses the M4 UVs. If you have Michael 4 for Genesis 2 Male you can apply it to Genesis 2 Male.
The Genesis 1 base figure can morph to either male of female shapes. Genesis 2 has separate male and female base figures. In principal the Genesis 2 figures are optimized to morph to male or female body shapes, while the Genesis 1 base figure has some compromises to allow it to morph to either male or female figures. The Genesis 2 figures have more polygons in the face area that allow more detail in facial expressions. The Genesis 2 figures have better bending at the shoulders, elbows and knees that does not stretch and distort the skin texture as much.
Genesis 2 also has HD morphing technology, which apparently allows morphs to shape the subdivided polygons of a figure. This technology is relatively new, and there is only limited support currently. The Aging Morphs 2 Bundle HD is an example of a morph bundle that uses this technology.
I am not familiar with IPI Mocap Studio, so I cannot comment on this.
Just out of curiosity I decided to test the shoulder bending of V4, G1 and G2 to see how different they really were. I used the V4 Elite Texture: Katie to do this. She has freckled skin with a lot of skin features in the shoulder region that bring out any stretching of the skin.
In the image below I have V4 in the red bikini, G1 using the V4 shape in the green bikini and G2F using the V4 shape in the black bikini. The top row of images shows the arm out horizontal in the T-pose. The lower row of images has the shoulder bent down -75 deg. The V4 shoulder will bend down to -85 deg before hitting the limit, but I left it at -75 which is the limit on G1 and G2F.
There is obvious skin stretching on V4. There are morph products available at other stores for V4 that may fix this stretching. It is clear that G1 is much better. To my eye the skin on G2 looks less stretched and more natural around the shoulder.
Note: I changed the Katie texture to use the AoA Subsurface shader on all three.
Hi Mark,
Thanks for this, big help!
I'd need to create a video where I morph from fully female through androgynous to fully male with the same item of clothing (ideally a figure hugging item of clothing such as the wetsuit. I can do this with the Genesis 1 character. Would I be able to do the same with the Genesis 2 morph package given that they do not have a common base character? I've noticed that the female and male morphs in Genesis 2 each contain an androgynous setting suggesting that this may be possible?
Bruce
I don't do video, so I'm not sure I can give you a good answer.
Clearly this would be more straight forward with Genesis 1. It was made to morph between male and female.
G2F was released some time before G2M. Before G2M was available there were several people morphed G2F into a male character just to show it can be done. I'm not sure if they did this using the built in morphs or made their own morphs in ZBrush or some other modeling tool.
If I were going to do this, I would use Genesis 1.
G2M and G2F is two figures, it will not Morph from Male to female or vice a versa without the user hand adding the proper figure morph from one into the other. I would just use Genesis 1 for that. There is no reason to NOT use all the figures. I use older and newer figures all mixed in one project all the time.
I had an idea for the Genesis 2 figures but unfortunately the androgynous shapes for G2F and G2M are not the same. If they where the OP could have used it as an intermediate stage then swap out G2F for G2M and vice versa.