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Frustration with no feedback

Fussel2107Fussel2107 Posts: 86
edited December 2018 in Art Studio

Here I am, sitting at work on the last work day before Christmas, checking my gallery once more, and once more I am asking myself: Why am I doing this? 

I put days and days of work into one render, tweaking stuff until my eyes water, I pour an insane amount of money into it.... and get nothing in return. 

There is no viewer feedback. At best, people look at your picture and go "nice picture", all the while the artist spent hours thinking about stuff he wanted to express. 

And in the end, there is disappointment. 

Sure, I'm doing it for myself, sometimes just to see if I can pull it off. But then, why show it to someone? 

How can you find the motivation to keep going, if nothing ever comes back and nobody really cares what you are doing?

Is it just me? And if it is, how the hell do you all find this magical well of feedback and gratification that makes it cool to create stuff that others basically don't care about?

 

 

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,219

    dunno, I never look on or post on the gallery cheeky

    maybe try DeviantArt or ArtStation?

    really most these galleries are just your peers

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,760

    You can also post your image in here.  It's Christmas time,  most people are off doing real world stuff.  Wendy's suggestion is a good one too.   try DeviantArt or ArtStation?

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    edited December 2018

    The tough question at the nd of the day is... are you creating art for yourself, or to get gratification/praise for it?

    I mean, I love getting praise for what I do. I'm thrilled whenever someone clicks a "like" or posts something. When I was still writing fan fiction, you were lucky if you got 1 comment out of 100 reads. And getting 100 reads (beyond the first chapter) was already a feature. Getting feedback for your artwork is similar. I have a webcomic going on for about a year, and I call myself lucky to have 16 subscribers.

    What you can do is post in the forum (like, here in the art forum), and ask directly about feedback. Connect with others, make yourself known. I like to go to the Digital Arts webinars for learning and getting feedback. There's a regular, monthly webinar: https://digitalartlive.com/event/visual-narratives-workshop-share-and-promote-your-artwork-and-techniques/

    But ultimately, it's you and yourself. It will not work, on the long run, if you are not doing this artwork "to get the art done", to get the image from your brain to the screen, because otherwise your brain will explode. If the urge is not there, if you are working for gratification, this will be tiresome very soon and then it is definitely not worth putting money and time into it.

    It's a tough question to answer to yourself. Like, I need to get the story done, I need to render the images for the next page. It's great if someone cares, but in the nd, I do it because I need to get the story told. smiley

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  • LinwellyLinwelly Posts: 5,947

    Welcome to the gallery frustration club.frown I guess most of us had that happen at a point or two.

    The thing really is, the gallery system ist a bit difficult for having really conversations, plus the upload rate is so hight, and once you're gone from the front page, you'll hardly get more views. So its really not the best place to hope for valuable feedback.

    Tip one. When you look for good feedback start a thread here in the art section of the forum and post your images (I do it with link back to the gallery, so if people wnat they can go there for full scale view and adding comments or likes. But mostly discussion will be in the thread and you can come back to it with more images alternations and the like. In the holiday busy times it can even get hard to get attention there sometimes. Its as well a game of give and take. While I have been rather absent lately and did little to no commenting on the threads of my fellows here, I can't expect others to invest a great deal of time in my thread (while they are probably busy making art themselves)

    There have been soem nice options mentioned by the others, so I wont repeat them, just this one, there is a thread started by @Novica where you can post linkt to a little list of your best works. Its a bit burried right now, I need to dig a little for the link

     

  • Carola OCarola O Posts: 3,823
    edited December 2018

    Another thing you can do, is to put a link to your gallery in your signature here, that way people can easily find your gallery.

    Personally I always considered feedback/likes as a really nice and appreciated bonus, but it's not the reason I make art. I make art because I want to for myself, to get an outlet for my creativity as well as to go with stories I write and such :)

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  • chris-2599934chris-2599934 Posts: 1,814
    edited December 2018

    Pictures only appear on the front page of the gallery for a short time, and not everyone goes to look at the gallery page anyway (I know I don't). As you can see below, what I do is put thumbnails of my last few posts in my forum signature. That's a bit fiddly to set up, but you could at least add a link to your gallery there.

    To set up/change your sig, click on the cogs icon at the top-right of forum pages and click on your user name. Once there, click on the cogs in the square beside your name and choose "Edit profile." This choose "Signature Settings" from the page you're sent to. You get an editor box where you can produce a "signature" added to the bottom of each post.

    To get a row of thumbnails like mine, it's easiest to write the HTML source directly. Here's the source behind the first couple of thumbs:

    <p>
  <a href="https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/images/703161/"><img alt="" src="/galleryimage/image/703161/let-it-snow_100_thumb.jpg" title="Let it Snow!" /></a>
  <a href="https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/images/683366/"><img alt="" src="/galleryimage/image/683366/morning-reflection_100_thumb.png" title="Morning Reflection" /></a>
  <-- Insert more thumbnails in here! -->
</p>

    The bit in red is the address of the page in your gallery. The green bit is the address of the thumbnail, note how it's the title of the image followed by _100_thumb followed by the file type. The bit in blue is the title that appears on mouseover. You have to update your sig manually every time you want to change the lineup of images, it'd be great if Daz could provide some kind of widget, but they don't.

    Another way to get more feedback on your gallery, and your art generally, would be to start your own thread in the Art Studio forum. Lots of folk seem to do that.

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  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548

    Start a thread here in the art gallery for your work.  you will get a lot more views and might even make a friend or two.  Most of us are pretty friendly and always willing to take a look. 

    I find the gallery to be extremely frustrating, so I rarely go there.  When I do post in the gallery, i try to comment and like on several pages worth of stuff but it goes so fast its impossible to keep up.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited December 2018

    Here's the thread. 

    Post edited by Novica on
  • LinwellyLinwelly Posts: 5,947

    Ah thanks Novica, I was hoping that calling you in woud  do the charm :D

  • Fussel2107Fussel2107 Posts: 86

    Thank you :) 

  • philebusphilebus Posts: 242

    I would have to agree with the others. I've been posting to galleries for years and I don't think that people who view them are really there for that (after all, if I go out to an art gallery, I'm just going to look at and enjoy pictures). Unfortunately, I've seldom seen gallery implementation that really like either, finding them a bit clunky - the DAZ one in particular. I had thought the Deviant Art gallery, which some have suggested, looked nice enough but I decided to delete my account after finding some images on my gallery not posted by myself - that's probably just my bad luck though, as I don't think any site is totally secure these days.

    On the other hand, forums are exactly where people go to interract with each other and I have to say that this one is one of the best. No software divisions or jibes here and if you have a problem or want to share a solution, then this is the place to post. I've always found everyone very friendly and helpful. If you have a specific interest in a theme, have a look to see if there is a thread for it already, if not, it could be worth starting one - or just a thread of your own work.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    Yes as they are saying   link to your gallery in your signature bar,    then start a render thread here in the Art Studio.   You soon get a following.   Unless of course you are a Brycer and boast about it.  Then everyone thinks that your gallery will be full of Bryce landscapes and be boring and all, so they don't visit, even when you have a link in the signature bar.  

  • MisselthwaiteMisselthwaite Posts: 961

    I mostly use a different site (starts with Rend...) to post my casual works in when I feel a need to be patted on the head, or recognized, or even just have my small, still voice meet another ;-)  DeviantArt I use for more adult work, if the fancy strikes me, but I check in rarely, so I wouldn't consider it a social interaction,  Creating can be a lonely process if you have no other outlet than a screen.  I send them to friends, post them wherever, and sometimes even print them on canvas for my own amusement and gifts for others.  I might do most of my evil, evil shopping here on Daz, but this isn't where I live.

    Additionally, most of my work is for a giant, pointless, ridiculous but vastly entertaining project - that's my motivation if not my obessive compulsion, and I'm quite fortunate to have it. :-)  Or, you can do what you did - post a cry, and hope someone hears you!  Very Dr. Seuss... "We are here, we are here!"

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,647

    I don't really do art for the feedback of others, especially not here, nor do I stump for feedback, which I don't care for. I prefer natural, normal feedback unsolicited, or none at all.

    That said, the gallery users are a pretty small community, and there are better places like Rendo, and Deviant Art to post art, so I wouldn't limit yourself to posting only on DAZ forums.

  • PaintboxPaintbox Posts: 1,633

    You could also post something on a site like Imgur. If you publish you most certainly get feedback, but it isn’t an art sensitive crowd on the whole. Depends.

    or finding a relevant subreddit like maybe r/art or somesuch on Reddit

    Instagram could be another avenue.

    Since these sites are wayyyy bigger in number of visitors you’re most certainly gonna get feedback.

  • acharyapolinaacharyapolina Posts: 726

    My too sense is that ArtStation is probably the best place to post art. Also in my expirence if you are looking for praise, you will only get it if your art piece is like REALLY REALLY GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! otherwise it will only get comments like "cool" "nice piece" "good work, keep it up" 

    I've seen some artwork on ArtStation that is REALLY REALLY GOOD and it gets lots of praise, mostly it is an art piece that convays some kind of feelings, makes you say WOW and gives you a kind of feeling that when you leave the page you are still thinking of it.

    As an artist myself, i find it very difficult to create any art piece like that. :P so I only get "cool" "nice piece" "good work, keep it up"  with most of my art pieces.

    The other resion to create art in my opinion is if your art is based on a product you are selling and the product is sold more because people see your art piece and want to create something simaler so they buy your product. In that case you dont need any praise, only sales. :)

  • acharyapolinaacharyapolina Posts: 726

    There was one artist on Daz3d that I visited once. the image is here 

    https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/images/700896/

    they created a seen that was a winter sceen and the characres and horse in the scene had cold breath, anyways the image got a good amount of comments on it because the artist did a good job giving the viewer the sense that it was really cold outside. so you got a feeling from the image that it was cold. and so he got many coments from others. 

    anyways, thats an example. :)

  • FishtalesFishtales Posts: 6,119

    @acharyapolina

    That is certainly a nice image but the first thing that caught my eye wasn't the breath from the mouths but the fact that both the horse and figure are floating above the ground.

    As far as feedback is concerned, I have an Art Studio thread that gets very few comments but it doesn't stop me posting :)

  • acharyapolinaacharyapolina Posts: 726

    Same here, I keep on posting my artwork all over the place. artstation, daz3d, other places. I think I post my artwork just because I like to share it with others, it dosent mean I want coments, but it is always nice to get them. :)

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    No feedback is actually feedback. Just not what you were hoping for.

  • Hatsune MikuHatsune Miku Posts: 851

    @ deviantart and at art station they just fave my artwork or give me a llama badge but I hardly get feedbacks but you can see the number of people that has seen the artwork.  Not everyone is English as first language.

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548

    One other thing to take into consideration.  It takes a lot of effort and networking to get consistent comments on your work.  The more that you comment and engage with other people's artwork, the more likely they are to do the same. If you want relevent comments on your work, you are going to have to give them on other people's work.  The side benefit of this, at least for me, is that I have gotten to know a lot of really nice people who make beautiful art.  Some of them have gotten to be really good friends, one or two that I have met in person (and liked just as much in person as I did online).   But if you don't engage with other artists and make the effort to comment and like their art, then the chances of them doing the same is far less.  

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