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Duplicating Objects - Copy and Paste - Scene Subsets Solution

NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
edited February 2013 in New Users

I can't believe there aren't any copy/paste questions, but searching the forum gave me ziltch. That has to be a dud search hopefully. I have gone back through some threads but just have to ask at this point. I have a fern, I want to duplicate it and plop it on a flat plane. I tried selecting the plant, copy, and then clicked on the plane, then hit paste to selected object. Nothing happened. This was just a guess on my part, did I do it right? My fern is off in lah lah land somewhere.

Second question, I need a bunch of these, do I do them one at a time? I already have them the way I want them, I dont want to lose the work I put into it.

Cathie

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  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,971
    edited February 2013

    There is no copy/paste for objects, there is Create->New Node Instance and Create->New Node Instances .
    They will have the same pose and textures as the original, but you can move/tilt.

    If you want multiple unique entities, there is Send In the Clones
    http://www.daz3d.com/software/plugins-utilities/send-in-the-clones-ds4
    http://www.daz3d.com/software/plugins-utilities/send-in-the-clones-ds4-pro

    Or you can save a setup figure, then save it and merge that into the scene several times.
    I've used that on several occations, first setup a bunch of differently posed and textured figures, then create a Group containing those figures, then New Node Instances in that group (Can be a little resource heavy, I had 144 paratroopers one DS scene once, and over 100 Zombies in another.

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  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    easiest way is to save the offending item as a scene subset and load in as many as you want one at a time.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited December 1969

    Thanks SO much! I haven't gone to bed yet (7am Florida time) because this had me stumped and frankly annoyed at myself for not figuring it out. I'll give it a try after I get some sleep- but you really made my day with the fast replies. :) :) :)

    Cathie

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    easiest way is to save the offending item as a scene subset and load in as many as you want one at a time.

    Um, since this is still my first render, have to ask- to save as a scene subset, can I click on the fern in the existing scene and save just it as a subset, or do I have to have it all by its lonely self? (If so, I'll give it plant therapy later)

  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,971
    edited December 1969

    Novica said:
    Szark said:
    easiest way is to save the offending item as a scene subset and load in as many as you want one at a time.

    Um, since this is still my first render, have to ask- to save as a scene subset, can I click on the fern in the existing scene and save just it as a subset, or do I have to have it all by its lonely self? (If so, I'll give it plant therapy later)

    When you do Save As SubSet you will be given a dialog where you check which items to save.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Nope just go to File > Save As scene Subset and choose which item you want to save, a new options window will pop up after choosing to save a scene subset. No need to delete anything. That is the beauty about this new function.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited February 2013

    Thank you Totte and Szark! That I should be able to do, lol.
    BTW, I believe I saw the scene you are describing- it was in a thread as you were developing it. It had those big walking machines and running storm troopers- was it a cloning thread or a depth of field thread. It was AWESOME.

    Cathie

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  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited December 1969

    When you say new function, is it in the new 4.5 update, or from (I'm guessing there was this version) 4.0 ?

  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,971
    edited December 1969

    Novica said:
    Thank you Ttte! That I should be able to do, lol.
    BTW, I believe I saw the scene you are describing- it was in a thread as you were developing it. It had those big walking machines and running storm troopers- was it a cloning thread or a depth of field thread. It was AWESOME.

    Cathie

    Nope, that wasn't mine (but the same concept.

    Here is the one (but not all is seen though)

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  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,971
    edited December 1969

    Novica said:
    When you say new function, is it in the new 4.5 update, or from (I'm guessing there was this version) 4.0 ?

    Most new things referred to are in 4.5 (when a lot of goodies came)

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Novica said:
    When you say new function, is it in the new 4.5 update, or from (I'm guessing there was this version) 4.0 ?
    as opposed to DS3A I meant. In DS3A we had to delete everything from a scene barring the item we wanted to save as a scene. PITA it was. :)
  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited February 2013

    Very nice- love the ambiance of neutral tones- I assume you put the duplicates in the back first and worked your way forward? Wow, there's a lot of folks back there!

    Let me quickly ask- I did the subset- now to "load it" into the scene, am I doing a "merge?" or just an "open"?

    URGENT EDIT:Well, found out the hard way. Opening gave no warning, then "Clearing the scene" and poof, my scene disappeared.

    Cathie

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  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    I think from memory you can Open a Scene Subset without the need to merge but since I can't use DS4.5 at the moment I can't check. If in doubt use Merge. LOL Unless some kind soul tests it for you.

  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,971
    edited December 1969

    Novica said:
    Very nice- love the ambiance of neutral tones- I assume you put the duplicates in the back first and worked your way forward? Wow, there's a lot of folks back there!

    Let me quickly ask- I did the subset- now to "load it" into the scene, am I doing a "merge?" or just an "open"?

    Cathie

    You can "locate" the subscene folder in your content browser then just drag the items into the scene.

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  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,418
    edited December 1969

    just double click - open is fine

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited December 1969

    It's okay, I may not be experienced with 3D, but I am with the "Save" button. :)
    Let me try it YOUR way this time, lol.

    (But when my scene disappeared, there was the fern, mumbling, "Don't leave on my account.")

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited February 2013

    For other brand new users, (because it took me a minute to figure it out) that was the Content Library/ Daz Studio Formats/ My Library/ Scene subsets. Trying it now. (It IS there in the folder, so here I go...)

    Another question, how do I determine where this thing LANDS? (Stop snickering.)


    EDIT: It's working! And it comes in on top the original fern.

    YOU FOLKS ROCK!

    Cathie

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  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,971
    edited December 1969

    Novica said:
    For other brand new users, (because it took me a minute to figure it out) that was the Content Library/ Daz Studio Formats/ My Library/ Scene subsets. Trying it now. (It IS there in the folder, so here I go...)

    Another question, how do I determine where this thing LANDS? (Stop snickering.)

    The usually lands where they were saved. Most stuff is saved at 0,0,0 (Universal Origo), but if you move something from scene center and save it as a sub scene, it will load at those coordinates.

    Another thing is Groups, they are really useful. If you have an older propset consisting of many small props, lights etc, put everything in a group, then you cam move it in one piece, and if you save that as a subset scene, you can easily move it when it is loaded.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Try going to Top View and Drap and Drop your Subset and release the mouse at the desired loacation.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited December 1969

    I sure will try all that- this is going to be a very useful thread due to your suggestions.

    Is there a way to change the thread title to have add a hyphen then "Scene Subsets" so it can be found in searches? That way people looking for Scene Subsets will find out the answers too. It won't come up with copy/paste, but people looking for Copy/Paste or Duplicating objects need that in the title too.

    "Duplicating Objects-Copy and Paste- Scene Subsets" would work.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Yeah just edit your first post and change the title. :)

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited February 2013

    Szark said:
    Try going to Top View and Drap and Drop your Subset and release the mouse at the desired loacation.

    Hmm, it flashes like it's loading, but nothing shows up. I get that box where I get to chose Default Load, parent to plane, and a third option, I forgot what it is- I chose Default Load, then tried parent to plane, nada. But my fern count increased in my Scene list. Wonder where the little varmits are growing?!

    EDIT- and what is "Default Load?" Does it mean just plopping it in, no parenting? (Which is what I want)

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  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited February 2013

    Okay, just assumed if the "drap" (lol, couldn't resist) and drop wasn't working to drag it where I was putting it (in the Top View) then it must be still going on top of the original.

    Yep. There they were. Just FYI.

    Cathie

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  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Yeah sorry I have a visitor at the moment. I will do some research in to this and get back to you.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited December 1969

    Take your time- go enjoy your company- you have done so much already! I am just using the double click one by one method at the moment as I am really tired (going on 9am now and gotta get some sleep!) THANKS AGAIN.

    This is the ferns (not placed yet, just pulled them apart from their massive pileup.)

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  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Ok sorry for the delay. What with visitors, a walk to the shop then cooking the evening meal and lastly a nice bath I finally found what I had thought was possible.

    OK try this looking through any camera hold down the Alt button (please Mac folks offer the Mac equivalent if you would, cheers) and Drag the Icon in to the Scene Viewport Window. In DS4.5 you will get a round red marker showing where the object will be placed, handy visual reference there. Then when you have the correct location release the mouse.

  • Scott LivingstonScott Livingston Posts: 4,340
    edited December 1969

    Novica said:
    I can't believe there aren't any copy/paste questions, but searching the forum gave me ziltch. That has to be a dud search hopefully.

    You can often get better results by searching Google using the parameter site:daz3d.com rather than using the site search. ;-)

    For example, if you want to search for copy/paste issues, use:
    site:daz3d.com copy paste

    This can also come in handy for searching the old forum (site:forumarchive.daz3d.com).

  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,971
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    hold down the Alt button (please Mac folks offer the Mac equivalent if you would, cheers) and Drag the Icon in to the Scene Viewport Window. In DS4.5 you will get a round red marker showing where the object will be placed, handy visual reference there. Then when you have the correct location release the mouse.

    Its called Option/Opt or Alt (depending on the localization of the Keyboard on Macs. Option is the Original name of the Key, but it's called Alt in several countries (Among them Sweden).

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Thx Totte. So what happens when you have a two commands one for Ctrl and one for Alt, hows does that work on a Mac? Sorry for going OT but it seems so confusing to a PC orientated person like myself. ;)

  • TotteTotte Posts: 13,971
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    Thx Totte. So what happens when you have a two commands one for Ctrl and one for Alt, hows does that work on a Mac? Sorry for going OT but it seems so confusing to a PC orientated person like myself. ;)

    The Applekeyboard has CTRL (Control) / OPT/ALT (Option/Alt) / CMD (Command) , Command is the command key used for keyboard commands (Windows didn't have one so they uses CTRL instead).

    So CTRL+ALT+X on Windows is most likely COMMAND+OPTION+X on Mac OS X (unless someone really decided to translate it otherwise)

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